and well

Aria Giovanni just cus i dont like *****

little caprice 2
Aria Giovanni 10

Aria wins

i go for Aria!

Little Caprice 2
Aria Giovanni 8

I see only the big tit fans are voting so far...

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fat lady 7

has to be Aria although they are both beautiful in their own way

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Aria Giovanni 7

Aria!

Little Caprice 1
Aria Giovanni 6

Aria for me as well, easy win!

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Aria Giovanni 5

Aria Giovanni

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Although I agree with most that has been said in the topic by the OP, I disagree about the comparison about a real strip club and a software that barely recreates the experience. Is just like comparing real driving to GTA.

"Strippers on your desktop" is indeed descriptive of what the software is about, but it does not limit what the models can or would do besides that. And, in fact, it doesn't.

Totem added the sexual behaviour long ago to the shows. Now, they like it or not, is part of the product. The users are used to it and they will dislike plenty if it is gone or absent. In the "Totem's strip club" a girl open her legs, rubs and at times fingers herself. Is normal, to me, that many people expects to see that when they pay their "entrance" to this club. I don't feel amazed if the habituals boo to mild shows that give less for the same money.

People tend to forget that all this X-rated stuff for VG was originated by the "bottle incident" that halted the natural evolution of VG. Before that all was explicit at top, including fingering and pretended orgasms.

VG became X-Rated the moment the need to produce shows again for VG with the content that was removed, ***** off users for years, and restored later had to be equalized, nominately, to a different product that took the same sexual behaviour, increased, to cater for people looking for hardcore porn. When I said "nominately", I'm agreeing that VG, even with some energic fingering as models like Natali Blond or Marie did, should not be ever considered "X-rated", but the top of the VG sexual behaviour. Not a single model ever again achieved the joyful sexual behaviour of the pre-bottle incident and likely none ever will.

So, explicit and X-rated for VG is just semantics. I think, then, that no matter what a VG model is willing to do, or end up doing after the stripping, the production will not release or allow DBs-style of L5 content on the VG product and so, all the spicy stuff happening in VG can be just labeled as explicit. That way no user will ever expect to see real long masturbation in VG and it can finally be detached from DBs.

Now, full nudity and explicit, I do think can be something users with softer preferences might want to keep specified, cause seems some people just don't like to see sexual behaviour. So I think this tag is needed.

Aria Giovanni

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what would be interesting to see is a before pic to go with the after if the girls are up for it. I know a lot won't be seen without makeup though so highly unlikely.

the girls look a million dollars though after you've worked your magic, especially in the slightly gapped gowns.

Aria Giovanni

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23 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, big boobed sexy blonde VG model Chikita's birthdate
She's 6 cards (all solo cards in VG)
Her shoots was at VG in 2008
She's born in a Moravian city, Jíhlava, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2007 when she was only 19 years old
She played in 5 adult films until 2010 - only in solo scenes
She's lot of photoes and small videos in the net
She's well known photo model around the world
She posed several times in Playboy as Cikita Pechova: She was in the Playboy's US Special Editions in 2008 "Natural beauties", "Lingerie", "Vixen's" and "Big Boobs and Hot Buns"
She posed several times in several editon the Penthouse magazine: In December of 2008 in US edtion; in January of 2009 in German edition; in September of 2009 in Australian edttion; in September of 2010 in US edition; in January of 2011 in Portugal edtion; in June of 2011 in US editon - with Carmen Gemini
She posed too in the Hustler's Covergirl magazine (US) in September of 2010
She posed too in the High Society magazine (US) in November of 2011
She posed too in UK magazine's: Zoo, Nuts, Myfaire
She posed in some lingerie catalues: Secretsinlace lingerie (US); Orion (German), Beate Uhse's European lingerie catalogues
She worked with some well known photographers: f.e. Woman with Holly Randall; Nude album.1 - picture book with Scott Davison; calendar shootings with Manfred Baumann, Martin Wieland; advertisement shoot with French fashion photographer Emanuel Fuque
In her homeland she well known as Markéta Pechová (this is her real name)
She loves traveling; she speaks well Czech, Slovakian, German and English
She's a very natural girl with big natural DD-cup boobs and round bum - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
According her model site of PureStorm she's living in Bournemouth, Dorset, England, UK
She has a lot, 26 stage names!!
Her stage names are Betty, Cecilia, Cheyenne, Chickie, Chikita A., Chiquita, Cikita, Cikita A., Cikita Cordero, Cikita Pechova, Cikita Vloer, Citika, Destiny Scott, Grace Watkins, Hana, Iveta, Janine, Karina Myerson, Magdalene, Mandy, Marketa, Marketa P., Marketa Pechova, Marketta, Melissa, Tchikita
Her real name is Markéta Pechová
Happy birthday Chikita (Markéta)

Stickyed as requested

23 of June is the blue eyed, sexy blonde VG Classic and DB model Sandy's birthdate
She's 6 cards (2 solo cards in VG Classic & 1 solo and 3 duo cards in DB)
Her shoots was at VG2 in 2003 and 2004; at DB in 2010
SHe's born in the Moravian capital city, Brno, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2003 when she was only 19 years old
When she started modeling she studies criminology and works part time in a market
She played in 20 adult films until 2003 - only in solo and girl/girl scenes
She's well known as Joana Redgrave
Her stage name Sandy she only in VG and DB used
In her homelnad, Czech Republic she's known as Jana Mrhacová - this is her real name
She's a natural girl with tiny tits and round bum - her boobs are A-cups - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
She loves reading a lot especially criminal books or fictions
She enjoys sport, including mountain biking, swimming, playing squash and spending time with her friends
She has a lot, 54 stage names!!
Her stage names are Abbey, Alena, Alyssa, Brigitte, Deny, Elisabeth, Elizabeth, Grace, Heather, Heather Lightspeed, Jackie, Jamie, Jamie J., Jana, Jana A., Jana B., Jana Claire, Jana D., Jana E., Jana M., Jana Malone, Jana Mrhacova, Jana Q., Jana S., Jana Simkova, Jana Surkova, Jane A., Jane S., Janie, Janka, Jenna, Joana Redgrave, Kim, Megan, Melissa, Nella, Sandy, Sara, Shane, Sharon, Sofie, Stefanie, Tina, Vanesa, Vanessa, Vanessa H., Vanessa M., Veronica, Veronika, Wanesa, Willow, Yana, Yana M., Zoe
Her real name is Jana Mrhacová
Happy birthday Sandy (Jana)

@Cartref and Wyldanimal,

Just a thought. I used to moderate several different forums for Internet sites. This whole thread seems to be an outstanding candidate for a "Sticky" thread. Several reasons:

1. As shown in Cartref's post above, the same topic has a history of repeating itself over time.

2. Normally when #1 above happens, it is started again by a relatively "new" forum member who may not realize it has been beat to death several times in the past (they don't use or know how to use the forum's Search Function).

3. I've been a member here for over 5 years and I myself have never seen an all-inclusive explanation of Totem's difference between VG and DB as explained in Wyldanimal's post above.

If this thread was made a "Sticky" at the top of the forum section here, it could easily prevent some of the recurring startups of the same topic again. Or at least make a quick "Lookie Here" link in a quick reply post to the reasons for the way clips are tagged concerning "Nudity Level"...which is actually the wrong term for it now, as the GUI calls it "Eroticism" now. That alone...understanding that it isn't really the "level of nudity" but rather the "level of Eroticism" that is being tagged...could make a difference in how the tag is perceived by someone. Honestly, I hadn't noticed myself until posting my earlier posts that the tag is labeling an "Eroticism" level as opposed to a "Nudity Level" now.

Just an idea.

I dont mind seing some explicit in a VG show tho but im not expecting it and when it comes to x-rated thats something im not expecting to se in a VG show at all, in the other end i would not get upset if i got a vg card that had some x-rated.

Just like starryk said.. as long as a girl seems to like what she does and its a good performance explicit and/or x-rated or neither of them.

23 of June is the brown eyed, tiny titted, sexy sweet brunette Hungarian VG model and well known porn star Angelina *****'s birthdate
She's only 4 cards (3 solo and 1 duo cards in VG)
Her shoots was at VG in 2008
She started modeling in 2003 when she was only 23 years old
She played in more than 130 adult films until 2003 - with boys and girls, in anal scenes too - she's one of Anal Queens in the porn business - mainly with the biggest porn movie companies' staffs
In 2005 she won the category of "Best New Starlet" at International Porn Awards in Beograd
She likes younger then her really age - she's a small natural girl with tiny tits and round bum - her heights is 5'2 (1.57 m), her weights is 92 lbs (42 kg), her boobs are A-cups - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
She loves listening the house music, dancing, sports including swimming, gym, ice skating, computer
Until 2008 she working at photographer too
She's still active and she's one of my biggest favourites and I hop she'll come back in the DB in the near future
Her stage names are Angela Black, Angela *****, Angelica *****, Angelina, Angelina Crown, Carrye, Julia *****, Nicoletta, Nikoletta, Simona H.
Her real name is Nikolette and her nickname is Niki
Happy birthday Angelina (Niki)

I don't know why are these differences, but in the VG first edition and later in the VG2 were a lot differences between the models' "VG-bio" and her real bio.

F.e. some girls:
Cameron - she's same as Cameron Cruz in DeskBabes - she in VG Classic was indicating as American, but she's Hungarian - this see in DB - but her nationality not fixed in her Classic data sheet...
Dana V. - she's not Anerican too, she's Hungarian...
Anita Dark - in VG2 and VG Classic she's indicating as Anerican, but her nationality is Hungarian - however she's been living for many years in USA, at least this information is really...
etc.

Phoebe (Peaches) is one of them. She's really Hungarian and she really a tall, beautiful, big boobed model.

Little Caprice wins and challenges Aria Giovanni starting at 12:00, a bit less than 3 hours from now.

Thanks for your thorough explanation WA

For me the expectations I have regarding an x-rated clip are set by the last 2 years of x-rated clips. And in these x-rated was either spreading, finger insertion or heavy rubbing etc. Because of that only a few VG shows had x-rated clips and also only few of them.
And if i then see a show that has 8! x-rated clips I will expect a certain behaviour from the model in that show. If the same 8 clips would have been tagged explicit I wouldn't have these expectations and i wouldn't have ***** about the show at all. I wouldn't have said: "Well why does that show not have x-rated content?' I would just have enjoyed the show.
For me a show doesn't have to be explicit or x-rated it just has to be a good performance or a model clearly enjoying what she does. Then she can even be a bit clumsy if i get the vibe that she has fun its fine.

Just a note as I think this have been discussed all to much in the past.

When Totem released VGHD in 2007 explicit was a "bonus" in the first 200-300 cards or so. Then Totem made an active decision to spice it up a notch letting the girls go further. Before that the girls were "held back" by the team.

Comparing cards by models like Silver and Carol G, whom both did VG2, their early VGHD cards are almost only "full nudity". Their VG2 cards were way more explicit in the old classics.

So to answer the question... the first real X-rated moves were done by Liliane Tiger in her card Brooklyn nights (136). In the clip named a0136_68403.vghd there's some brief explicit fingering that might have warranted an X-rated level by todays standard =)

Just bought her VG2 card and I noticed this

Origins Seville/Spain
Age 32
Height 5.1
Weight 112
Vital statistics 35/22/33

While http://www.wikiporno.org/wiki/Peaches says

Birth location: Budapest, Hungary
Birthday: February 24, 1984
Height: 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Weight: 125 lb (57 kg/8.9 st)
Measurements: 36C-26-38 (91-66-96 cm.)

Why the differences?

@Wyldanimal

OK, that's the first time I've ever seen a complete explanation of Totem's intended differences between VG and Desk Babes. It clears up some things I've wondered about in the past. I always assumed DB was more "Sex on your Desktop" than VG, but couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be "2 girl lesbian", why there were some single model shows on it. I'm still having some difficulty discerning why having a dildo shoved inside a girl on Desk Babes is "Sex on your Desktop" while having a model with her fingers inside her on VG isn't "Sex on your Desktop", but that's just me. ;-)

Hopefully someday everyone will be able to agree on what an "explicit" vs an "x-rated" clip should contain, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's what I was posting about in the first place. I can't conceive of any "guideline" used by Totem that will please everybody when it comes to deciding if a clip is "explicit" vs "x-rated". Or for that matter, even some of the other tags used. There are just too many variables in the opinions different people will have.

As an example, take a clip where the model is on the taskbar wearing only a thong or bikini bottom. Obviously, she is "Topless". At no time during the clip does she expose any nudity below the bottom clothing item. But she does slide her hand inside the thong/bikini bottom and is obviously "touching herself" ("explicit"?) or maybe even inserting part of her hand into herself ("x-rated"?). What is the appropriate "tag" for the nudity level of that clip?

I guess it depends on whether the criteria is "What you see" vs "What she is doing". I have a very vivid imagination, so I wouldn't have a problem calling that clip "explicit" or "x-rated". ;-)

Many other members would probably disagree with me and say "It's only topless!" And that's OK too. But it would never stop any debate from occurring in the future again. ;-)

I'm satisfied with your answer. In as much as I am the "Member" who made the post you used in the second post of this thread, you can close this thread if you want to.

PS - Just so there is no misunderstanding, I have NO PROBLEM with a VG model being explicit or x-rated. In my previous "mis"-understanding of Totem's idea of the differences between VG and DB, I just never EXPECTED a model in VG to have to include explicit or x-rated content in one of her shows. The ***** of it would never have been a determining factor in whether I would buy her show or not. That's why I don't have a problem with Rex's idea of casting "no leg spread" models for VG. But obviously based on some other member's posts, they would have a problem and have even stated they would not buy a show like that because it lacked explicit or x-rated content in the show. To each his own, I guess.

VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen.

VirtuaGirl HD changed all that.
Up until about card a0500 VG was a very explicit and often X-rated product.

At that time there were only 4 levels.
No nudity
Topless
Nude
Explicit - included anything that was more then just Nude.

In 2009 Totem created a new lesbian based product Similar in style to the gay product VirtuaGuy. This new product was called Deskbabes.
Totem Decided that ONE GUI would be used for all of the Products.

This required a new Rating system with the addition of 2 more level.
There is a Level 0, which so far has remained unused.
And the Addition of Level 5.

Totem, not the Members, created the Level Guide for assigning the Levels which are encoded into the clip and the clip name.
Since 2009, this Guide has been a work in progress. As new clips with Borderline or Different Not seen before content comes up, the guide has been adjusted.

I think it is very close to being just about perfect, with the most recent change.
Now the Split between Level 3 and Level 4 just needs a little tweak..

The only similarity between Deskbabes to VirtuaGirl, was that it would be all girls.
It is a completely Different product from VG.

So For the Members who always say, "if you want explicit or X-rated content, use DB"
It's like comparing Bananas to Sneakers. They aren't even similar.

I'm in the US. I've been to many Gentlemen's clubs.
I've never been to one that didn't have spreading, or heavy rubbing.
and some of them Did have finger insertions.
These were all BYOB clubs.

So that is what I expect from VG.
A good performance with Dancing and Striptease, but it also should go to completion with between the leg views, and if the model is willing, heavy rubbing / insertion.

The Level control of the GUI, give you as a Member, the Option to View or NOT view this content.
But it is part of the content, and should not be restricted or removed.

Granted, There were a few clubs that Had Liquor License. and In thoes clubs, the girls couldn't even get Toppless. Pasties over the nipples, and G-strings.
But the Clubs with Liquor License were far and few... and very unpopular.

Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.

With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.

I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past.

Agree & support WA's decision to create this topic, but to give an understanding as to how long this subject has been debated, see the pic for the bottom end of a search on topic with "explicit" in the title.

One such topic can be found here:

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=982

One requirement of this topic though is to keep it civil. If you read the above topic, you will find that towards the end, it started to become personal. I recall other topics where it got a lot nastier. Don't let it happen here!

This debate can easily get heated if members do not as WA has said many times, "take a deep breath".

Members Post:

My main question is, "When did VG become Totem's "Explicit" and "X-Rated" venue for "Desktop STRIPPERS"? Or maybe a better question would be, "When did VG MEMBERS begin expecting that?"

Wasn't the development of DESK BABES supposed to be the venue for those who wanted to see "Explicit" and/or "X-Rated" shows?

VG is marketed as a "STRIPPER on your desktop". In that regard, I don't expect a VG model to put on a show commensurate with it being an XXX porno movie. A girl who "strips" may end up removing SOME or ALL of her clothes, and it may depend on the local laws in the geographic area where she performs her striptease. That "definition" will accommodate any VG member here who purchases model shows from VG. In my geographical location there are "Full Nudity" establishments where the girl will remove all clothing, but ONLY if no alcoholic beverages are served to the patrons. If ***** is served, the girl will not be allowed to display nipples or any genitalia area (thus they wear "pasties" and must leave at least something that covers their genitalia area).

I agree that may not be the case in other areas of the world. Yes, I have travelled and gone to the full fledged "Banana Shows" in some countries where anything the "stripper" could shove up their bodily orifice was inserted there.

When I go to a "strip bar" or "gentlemen's club", I don't EXPECT to see a performer ("stripper") "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "shoving a broomstick up her *** or ****" (or even "playing with herself" with her own hands). If she removes SOME or ALL of her clothing, then she has met the requirements of her "stripper performance". And I think that Rex's recent request for feedback about casting "beautiful girls for VG who will NOT spread their legs" is totally in line with what a VG "stripper" could be expected to do. I'm amazed some responses Rex got said, "If she won't spread her legs, I'm not buying her show!" Poor expectation from the purchaser of a model in VG.

I'm NOT saying it would be necessary to STOP VG models from "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "touching themselves" on VG if the model wanted to do that. But ALL of those clips could just be called "Full Nudity". Nobody should EXPECT a VG "stripper" to put on an XXX rated show JUST BECAUSE she got "fully nude". If the model does any of those "extra" things, fine. But the ONLY ratings that should be "required" for VG clips should be "No Nudity", "Topless", and "Full Nudity", even if she does anything "extra".

If a Totem customer wants to see GUARANTEED "Explicit" or "X-Rated" shows where the model will "spread legs" or "show pink" or insert ANYTHING into any of her body cavities, they should be buying Desk Babe shows. There should be no "guarantees" that ANY VG show will be "explicit" or "x-rated", whether there is leg-spreading, pink-showing, or the insertion of a telephone pole into somewhere interior to the model's body parts.

When did Virtual Girl go "hardcore"? Why should ANY VG show clip need an "explicit" or "x-rated" tag...for ANY reason? Heck, we might as well just get rid of Desk Babes and combine all the cards into one venue if the expectation is "Strippers On Your Desktop" means "explicit and x-rated" XXX-Hardcore now.

One of our members posted an interesting question in the New Cards thread.
I think it's something that should be open for discussion, so I'm creating this thread for it to be continued here.

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Heaven 1

Welcome, and I hope to see you on more here. \m/

Caprice

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Welcome! Hope to see your art soon!

Welcome @Hadjia, have funrious with this site and program ♥♥♥☺

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Heaven 1 :))

ditto the above ( Little Caprice ) Little Caprice- 7 Heaven- 1

^^ Good one, Shuggie!

Caprice for me too, she's quickly becoming a new favorite of mine.

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i vote for Little Caprice

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And just one Reminder.. NO NUDITY allowed in the Avatar..
there is a text reminder on that page, but it is often overlooked.

I just been watching my purchased show of Zoe / rebel spirit which bought on account of the photos shown, out of those 44 at least 9 were fully nude lying down ( with perhaps the possibility of others ) but I watched this on explicit , nude and x rated and after 90 mins Ive give up , because it simply wont show ( if its even there at all ) Whats worse too is the No of teasing that leads to nothing but anger and frustration at having to wait and recall all the previous actions in hope of seeing one that might not be the same.

This isnt the first time either this has happened , and with reasonably good score sometimes its hard to tell , so if theres less than 0% chance of seeing anything why are photos like that put up to suggest otherwise ???

If you get involved in some of the threads, you may find people of similar interests to yourself.

Welcome to the forums and enjoy yourself. ;-D

Argh, Cornelian choice !
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Heaven 1 (sorry Heaven)

I vote Little Caprice

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Heaven 1

Lookin for some friends for whatever. Could trade pics vids etc.

I vote Little Caprice

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Heaven 1

little caprice vs heaven !
easy for me^^
i vote Heaven

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I vote Caprice, but it's close!

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Go into "My Account"....and "Edit my profile"....at bottom of page, load your avatar and "Update profile".....IF you've done all that, then Refresh page TWICE....then click My Account again and refresh page TWICE......
Good Luck !.....:)

Sorry people, the rules state that a new challenge only starts at 12:00 paris time.

So the Caprice-Heaven challenge will start at 12:00, about 2.25 hours from now.