I don't know why are these differences, but in the VG first edition and later in the VG2 were a lot differences between the models' "VG-bio" and her real bio.

F.e. some girls:
Cameron - she's same as Cameron Cruz in DeskBabes - she in VG Classic was indicating as American, but she's Hungarian - this see in DB - but her nationality not fixed in her Classic data sheet...
Dana V. - she's not Anerican too, she's Hungarian...
Anita Dark - in VG2 and VG Classic she's indicating as Anerican, but her nationality is Hungarian - however she's been living for many years in USA, at least this information is really...
etc.

Phoebe (Peaches) is one of them. She's really Hungarian and she really a tall, beautiful, big boobed model.

Little Caprice wins and challenges Aria Giovanni starting at 12:00, a bit less than 3 hours from now.

Thanks for your thorough explanation WA

For me the expectations I have regarding an x-rated clip are set by the last 2 years of x-rated clips. And in these x-rated was either spreading, finger insertion or heavy rubbing etc. Because of that only a few VG shows had x-rated clips and also only few of them.
And if i then see a show that has 8! x-rated clips I will expect a certain behaviour from the model in that show. If the same 8 clips would have been tagged explicit I wouldn't have these expectations and i wouldn't have ***** about the show at all. I wouldn't have said: "Well why does that show not have x-rated content?' I would just have enjoyed the show.
For me a show doesn't have to be explicit or x-rated it just has to be a good performance or a model clearly enjoying what she does. Then she can even be a bit clumsy if i get the vibe that she has fun its fine.

Just a note as I think this have been discussed all to much in the past.

When Totem released VGHD in 2007 explicit was a "bonus" in the first 200-300 cards or so. Then Totem made an active decision to spice it up a notch letting the girls go further. Before that the girls were "held back" by the team.

Comparing cards by models like Silver and Carol G, whom both did VG2, their early VGHD cards are almost only "full nudity". Their VG2 cards were way more explicit in the old classics.

So to answer the question... the first real X-rated moves were done by Liliane Tiger in her card Brooklyn nights (136). In the clip named a0136_68403.vghd there's some brief explicit fingering that might have warranted an X-rated level by todays standard =)

Just bought her VG2 card and I noticed this

Origins Seville/Spain
Age 32
Height 5.1
Weight 112
Vital statistics 35/22/33

While http://www.wikiporno.org/wiki/Peaches says

Birth location: Budapest, Hungary
Birthday: February 24, 1984
Height: 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Weight: 125 lb (57 kg/8.9 st)
Measurements: 36C-26-38 (91-66-96 cm.)

Why the differences?

@Wyldanimal

OK, that's the first time I've ever seen a complete explanation of Totem's intended differences between VG and Desk Babes. It clears up some things I've wondered about in the past. I always assumed DB was more "Sex on your Desktop" than VG, but couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be "2 girl lesbian", why there were some single model shows on it. I'm still having some difficulty discerning why having a dildo shoved inside a girl on Desk Babes is "Sex on your Desktop" while having a model with her fingers inside her on VG isn't "Sex on your Desktop", but that's just me. ;-)

Hopefully someday everyone will be able to agree on what an "explicit" vs an "x-rated" clip should contain, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's what I was posting about in the first place. I can't conceive of any "guideline" used by Totem that will please everybody when it comes to deciding if a clip is "explicit" vs "x-rated". Or for that matter, even some of the other tags used. There are just too many variables in the opinions different people will have.

As an example, take a clip where the model is on the taskbar wearing only a thong or bikini bottom. Obviously, she is "Topless". At no time during the clip does she expose any nudity below the bottom clothing item. But she does slide her hand inside the thong/bikini bottom and is obviously "touching herself" ("explicit"?) or maybe even inserting part of her hand into herself ("x-rated"?). What is the appropriate "tag" for the nudity level of that clip?

I guess it depends on whether the criteria is "What you see" vs "What she is doing". I have a very vivid imagination, so I wouldn't have a problem calling that clip "explicit" or "x-rated". ;-)

Many other members would probably disagree with me and say "It's only topless!" And that's OK too. But it would never stop any debate from occurring in the future again. ;-)

I'm satisfied with your answer. In as much as I am the "Member" who made the post you used in the second post of this thread, you can close this thread if you want to.

PS - Just so there is no misunderstanding, I have NO PROBLEM with a VG model being explicit or x-rated. In my previous "mis"-understanding of Totem's idea of the differences between VG and DB, I just never EXPECTED a model in VG to have to include explicit or x-rated content in one of her shows. The ***** of it would never have been a determining factor in whether I would buy her show or not. That's why I don't have a problem with Rex's idea of casting "no leg spread" models for VG. But obviously based on some other member's posts, they would have a problem and have even stated they would not buy a show like that because it lacked explicit or x-rated content in the show. To each his own, I guess.

VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen.

VirtuaGirl HD changed all that.
Up until about card a0500 VG was a very explicit and often X-rated product.

At that time there were only 4 levels.
No nudity
Topless
Nude
Explicit - included anything that was more then just Nude.

In 2009 Totem created a new lesbian based product Similar in style to the gay product VirtuaGuy. This new product was called Deskbabes.
Totem Decided that ONE GUI would be used for all of the Products.

This required a new Rating system with the addition of 2 more level.
There is a Level 0, which so far has remained unused.
And the Addition of Level 5.

Totem, not the Members, created the Level Guide for assigning the Levels which are encoded into the clip and the clip name.
Since 2009, this Guide has been a work in progress. As new clips with Borderline or Different Not seen before content comes up, the guide has been adjusted.

I think it is very close to being just about perfect, with the most recent change.
Now the Split between Level 3 and Level 4 just needs a little tweak..

The only similarity between Deskbabes to VirtuaGirl, was that it would be all girls.
It is a completely Different product from VG.

So For the Members who always say, "if you want explicit or X-rated content, use DB"
It's like comparing Bananas to Sneakers. They aren't even similar.

I'm in the US. I've been to many Gentlemen's clubs.
I've never been to one that didn't have spreading, or heavy rubbing.
and some of them Did have finger insertions.
These were all BYOB clubs.

So that is what I expect from VG.
A good performance with Dancing and Striptease, but it also should go to completion with between the leg views, and if the model is willing, heavy rubbing / insertion.

The Level control of the GUI, give you as a Member, the Option to View or NOT view this content.
But it is part of the content, and should not be restricted or removed.

Granted, There were a few clubs that Had Liquor License. and In thoes clubs, the girls couldn't even get Toppless. Pasties over the nipples, and G-strings.
But the Clubs with Liquor License were far and few... and very unpopular.

Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.

With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.

I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past.

Agree & support WA's decision to create this topic, but to give an understanding as to how long this subject has been debated, see the pic for the bottom end of a search on topic with "explicit" in the title.

One such topic can be found here:

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=982

One requirement of this topic though is to keep it civil. If you read the above topic, you will find that towards the end, it started to become personal. I recall other topics where it got a lot nastier. Don't let it happen here!

This debate can easily get heated if members do not as WA has said many times, "take a deep breath".

Members Post:

My main question is, "When did VG become Totem's "Explicit" and "X-Rated" venue for "Desktop STRIPPERS"? Or maybe a better question would be, "When did VG MEMBERS begin expecting that?"

Wasn't the development of DESK BABES supposed to be the venue for those who wanted to see "Explicit" and/or "X-Rated" shows?

VG is marketed as a "STRIPPER on your desktop". In that regard, I don't expect a VG model to put on a show commensurate with it being an XXX porno movie. A girl who "strips" may end up removing SOME or ALL of her clothes, and it may depend on the local laws in the geographic area where she performs her striptease. That "definition" will accommodate any VG member here who purchases model shows from VG. In my geographical location there are "Full Nudity" establishments where the girl will remove all clothing, but ONLY if no alcoholic beverages are served to the patrons. If ***** is served, the girl will not be allowed to display nipples or any genitalia area (thus they wear "pasties" and must leave at least something that covers their genitalia area).

I agree that may not be the case in other areas of the world. Yes, I have travelled and gone to the full fledged "Banana Shows" in some countries where anything the "stripper" could shove up their bodily orifice was inserted there.

When I go to a "strip bar" or "gentlemen's club", I don't EXPECT to see a performer ("stripper") "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "shoving a broomstick up her *** or ****" (or even "playing with herself" with her own hands). If she removes SOME or ALL of her clothing, then she has met the requirements of her "stripper performance". And I think that Rex's recent request for feedback about casting "beautiful girls for VG who will NOT spread their legs" is totally in line with what a VG "stripper" could be expected to do. I'm amazed some responses Rex got said, "If she won't spread her legs, I'm not buying her show!" Poor expectation from the purchaser of a model in VG.

I'm NOT saying it would be necessary to STOP VG models from "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "touching themselves" on VG if the model wanted to do that. But ALL of those clips could just be called "Full Nudity". Nobody should EXPECT a VG "stripper" to put on an XXX rated show JUST BECAUSE she got "fully nude". If the model does any of those "extra" things, fine. But the ONLY ratings that should be "required" for VG clips should be "No Nudity", "Topless", and "Full Nudity", even if she does anything "extra".

If a Totem customer wants to see GUARANTEED "Explicit" or "X-Rated" shows where the model will "spread legs" or "show pink" or insert ANYTHING into any of her body cavities, they should be buying Desk Babe shows. There should be no "guarantees" that ANY VG show will be "explicit" or "x-rated", whether there is leg-spreading, pink-showing, or the insertion of a telephone pole into somewhere interior to the model's body parts.

When did Virtual Girl go "hardcore"? Why should ANY VG show clip need an "explicit" or "x-rated" tag...for ANY reason? Heck, we might as well just get rid of Desk Babes and combine all the cards into one venue if the expectation is "Strippers On Your Desktop" means "explicit and x-rated" XXX-Hardcore now.

One of our members posted an interesting question in the New Cards thread.
I think it's something that should be open for discussion, so I'm creating this thread for it to be continued here.

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Heaven 1

Welcome, and I hope to see you on more here. \m/

Caprice

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Welcome! Hope to see your art soon!

Welcome @Hadjia, have funrious with this site and program ♥♥♥☺

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Heaven 1 :))

ditto the above ( Little Caprice ) Little Caprice- 7 Heaven- 1

^^ Good one, Shuggie!

Caprice for me too, she's quickly becoming a new favorite of mine.

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i vote for Little Caprice

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And just one Reminder.. NO NUDITY allowed in the Avatar..
there is a text reminder on that page, but it is often overlooked.

I just been watching my purchased show of Zoe / rebel spirit which bought on account of the photos shown, out of those 44 at least 9 were fully nude lying down ( with perhaps the possibility of others ) but I watched this on explicit , nude and x rated and after 90 mins Ive give up , because it simply wont show ( if its even there at all ) Whats worse too is the No of teasing that leads to nothing but anger and frustration at having to wait and recall all the previous actions in hope of seeing one that might not be the same.

This isnt the first time either this has happened , and with reasonably good score sometimes its hard to tell , so if theres less than 0% chance of seeing anything why are photos like that put up to suggest otherwise ???

If you get involved in some of the threads, you may find people of similar interests to yourself.

Welcome to the forums and enjoy yourself. ;-D

Argh, Cornelian choice !
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I vote Little Caprice

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Lookin for some friends for whatever. Could trade pics vids etc.

I vote Little Caprice

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little caprice vs heaven !
easy for me^^
i vote Heaven

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I vote Caprice, but it's close!

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Go into "My Account"....and "Edit my profile"....at bottom of page, load your avatar and "Update profile".....IF you've done all that, then Refresh page TWICE....then click My Account again and refresh page TWICE......
Good Luck !.....:)

Sorry people, the rules state that a new challenge only starts at 12:00 paris time.

So the Caprice-Heaven challenge will start at 12:00, about 2.25 hours from now.

I love the page... Good Job..!!!! I just started drawing in High def.... Mainly half naked wome:)n.... so having a variety of Beautiful art forms that dance nonstop on my screen really is advancing my skills.... Thanx ya'lll... my only problem is i can't upload a avatar.... any suggestions...?

Heaven

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Danni Minogue & Gina Devine

Caprice

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What happened with the Carla model? She was approved(78% approval) at more than 400 days ago.

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=24&ftId=21805

So why were not done shows for her yet?

Like this one, there are another models "approved" in the Casting Forum, that no have shows make for them.

Examples:

Mia Sollis http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=24&ftId=23484

Ayla http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=24&ftId=22964

***** http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=24&ftId=22408

and others...

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Heaven!

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Heaven!

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Caprice

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21 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, small sexy Russian DB model and well known porn star Sasha Rose's birthdate
She's 4 cards (1 solo and 3 duo cards all in DB)
Her shoots was at DB in end of the 2011
She's born in the famous historical city Leningrad, Sovietunion, now Sanktpeterburg, Russian Federation
She started modeling in 2008 when she was only 18 years old
Her real hair's color is black, but she was blond when she made her DB-shows
She's a little tiny titted girl with shapely round bum - her heights is 5 feet, 2 inches (1.57 m), her weights is 99 lbs (45 kg), her boobs are A-cups
She's a tattoo (a crown) in her right foot
She played in more than 120 adult films until 2008 - with boys and girls, in anal too - mainly with the Digital Sin, Evil Angel, Devil's Film and Seventeen Film's staff
According the Met-Art she loves to draw and she's studying at the art institute to be a professional artist
She likes going on a nice walk, dancing, traveling and meeting new and interesting people
She has a lot, 40 stage names!!
Her stage names are Ally, Amanda, Arina, Clarise, Clarisse, Claudia A., Claudia C., Diana, Frida, Gloria Sanders, Jewel, Jewy, Jillian B., Julia, Julia Usova, Julie, Juliya, Julya, Kate, Kate B., Kathe, Kathy, Katja, Katja N., Kristina, Lika, Linda, Lynn, Marcel, Nova, Otradka, Sasha, Ulia, Vanesa, Yanka, Yulia, Yulya, Yusa
Happy birthda Sasha

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21 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, friendly, smiling sexy blonde Hungarian VG & DB model and well known porn star Blue Angel's birthdate
She's 10 cards (6 solo and 1 duo vards in VG & 1 solo and 2 duo cards in DB)
Her shoots was at VG and DB in November of 2010
She's born in the northeast of Hungary, in the large industrial city, Miskolc
She started modeling in 2007 when she was only 19 years old
When she young, she's learnt ballet, she's still really flexible girl
Her main characteristics her puffy perky boobs
She played in more than 150 adult films until 2007 - with boy and girls, in anal too - mainly with the Digital Sin, 21Sextury, Evil Angel, Viv Thomas and Girlfriend Films staffs
Her photoes was in Hustler's Best Of Barely Legal #115 - US version; in H Extremo - July 2011 - Mexican version and in Private Magazine #217
Her awards: AVN Award - Female Foreign Performer of the Year 2009; Viv Thomas - Babe of the Month November 2009; Viv Thomas - Babe of the Month December 2010; Xbiz - Female Foreign Performer of the Year 2011
Her favourites:

• colour: white
• fashion: Bershka (sporty style)
• perfume: Woman by Hugo Boss
• jewellery: gold
• drink: Coca-Cola
• goodies: Nutella
• music: rock
• internet: YouTube

She hasn't tattoes, but she's piercings in her neck (five studs)
She loves dancing
She doesn't drink *****, but she's smoking
She's one of my biggest favourites and I hop she'll come back in the DB in the near future
Her stage names are Angel, Angel B., Angel Blue, Angelica, Beatrice, Blue, Leila, Piaf, Sissy Blake, Viva Style, Viven Piaf, Vivian, Vivian Piaf, Vivien, Vivien Piaf, Vivien Style, Vivien T., Vivien Toth
Her real name is Vivien Tóth and her nickname is Vivi
Happy birthday Blue Angel (Vivien)

21 of June is the beautiful, tall, green eyed, sexy long legged and long haired brunette Czech VG model Mina's birthdate
She's 8 cards (5 solo card and 3 duo cards - all in VG)
Her first card came in 2007, all others came in 2008
She started modeling in June of 2007, when she was only 24 years old
She's a well known glamour and erotic model, but she played only in 1 adult film - with Seventeen (Video Art Holland)
But she has 3 duo card at VG (two cards with Nikky Case, one card with Carmen Gemini), she don't really to work with girls, lot of her photoes she's alone
She's a tall girl with perfect boobs - her heights is 5'7 (1.72 m), her boobs are natural B-cups
The well known Norvegian photographer Petter Hegre says about her:
"Lysa is one of those girls who just makes you want to smile. Cute, sexy and a lot of fun this is a girl who enjoys life to the max! This curvy brunette is a very happy and positive soul, with her easygoing nature. You could describe her as the sexy-girl next door – very pretty and ultra-sensual but completely approachable and always up for having fun."
She has a lot, 20 stage names!!
Her stage names are Adriana Solo, Caila, Jana, Jana Ivsockova, Jana Lysackova, Kylie, Lysa, Mina J., Monique Rios, Nina, Nina A, Nina L, Rimma, Samantha, Samantha B., Samantha L., Samantha Star, Samy, Zelda
Her real name is Jana Lysačková
Happy birthday Mina (Jana)

Caprice

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Dandelion deserves to stay, thx SpaceInvader

a girl gets off the ladder when she gets no votes in a challange.

you could be right,Ricky78.. and it could be argued that Dandelion can be dropped from the ladder, as 10 votes in a row were given against her... ;)
[..went back and checked.. not 10 in a row, more like 7. ]

Little Caprice

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Dandelion 1

I guess now is Little Caprice vs Heaven if I understood well the rules:)

Caprice gets my vote... Little Caprice 9, Dandelion 1