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FalconAF
Desde en Jan 2008
530 posts

When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 respuestas
@Wyldanimal

OK, that's the first time I've ever seen a complete explanation of Totem's intended differences between VG and Desk Babes. It clears up some things I've wondered about in the past. I always assumed DB was more "Sex on your Desktop" than VG, but couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be "2 girl lesbian", why there were some single model shows on it. I'm still having some difficulty discerning why having a dildo shoved inside a girl on Desk Babes is "Sex on your Desktop" while having a model with her fingers inside her on VG isn't "Sex on your Desktop", but that's just me. ;-)

Hopefully someday everyone will be able to agree on what an "explicit" vs an "x-rated" clip should contain, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's what I was posting about in the first place. I can't conceive of any "guideline" used by Totem that will please everybody when it comes to deciding if a clip is "explicit" vs "x-rated". Or for that matter, even some of the other tags used. There are just too many variables in the opinions different people will have.

As an example, take a clip where the model is on the taskbar wearing only a thong or bikini bottom. Obviously, she is "Topless". At no time during the clip does she expose any nudity below the bottom clothing item. But she does slide her hand inside the thong/bikini bottom and is obviously "touching herself" ("explicit"?) or maybe even inserting part of her hand into herself ("x-rated"?). What is the appropriate "tag" for the nudity level of that clip?

I guess it depends on whether the criteria is "What you see" vs "What she is doing". I have a very vivid imagination, so I wouldn't have a problem calling that clip "explicit" or "x-rated". ;-)

Many other members would probably disagree with me and say "It's only topless!" And that's OK too. But it would never stop any debate from occurring in the future again. ;-)

I'm satisfied with your answer. In as much as I am the "Member" who made the post you used in the second post of this thread, you can close this thread if you want to.

PS - Just so there is no misunderstanding, I have NO PROBLEM with a VG model being explicit or x-rated. In my previous "mis"-understanding of Totem's idea of the differences between VG and DB, I just never EXPECTED a model in VG to have to include explicit or x-rated content in one of her shows. The ***** of it would never have been a determining factor in whether I would buy her show or not. That's why I don't have a problem with Rex's idea of casting "no leg spread" models for VG. But obviously based on some other member's posts, they would have a problem and have even stated they would not buy a show like that because it lacked explicit or x-rated content in the show. To each his own, I guess.
Wyldanimal
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Desde en Mar 2008
17066 posts

When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 respuestas
VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen.

VirtuaGirl HD changed all that.
Up until about card a0500 VG was a very explicit and often X-rated product.

At that time there were only 4 levels.
No nudity
Topless
Nude
Explicit - included anything that was more then just Nude.

In 2009 Totem created a new lesbian based product Similar in style to the gay product VirtuaGuy. This new product was called Deskbabes.
Totem Decided that ONE GUI would be used for all of the Products.

This required a new Rating system with the addition of 2 more level.
There is a Level 0, which so far has remained unused.
And the Addition of Level 5.

Totem, not the Members, created the Level Guide for assigning the Levels which are encoded into the clip and the clip name.
Since 2009, this Guide has been a work in progress. As new clips with Borderline or Different Not seen before content comes up, the guide has been adjusted.

I think it is very close to being just about perfect, with the most recent change.
Now the Split between Level 3 and Level 4 just needs a little tweak..

The only similarity between Deskbabes to VirtuaGirl, was that it would be all girls.
It is a completely Different product from VG.

So For the Members who always say, "if you want explicit or X-rated content, use DB"
It's like comparing Bananas to Sneakers. They aren't even similar.

I'm in the US. I've been to many Gentlemen's clubs.
I've never been to one that didn't have spreading, or heavy rubbing.
and some of them Did have finger insertions.
These were all BYOB clubs.

So that is what I expect from VG.
A good performance with Dancing and Striptease, but it also should go to completion with between the leg views, and if the model is willing, heavy rubbing / insertion.

The Level control of the GUI, give you as a Member, the Option to View or NOT view this content.
But it is part of the content, and should not be restricted or removed.

Granted, There were a few clubs that Had Liquor License. and In thoes clubs, the girls couldn't even get Toppless. Pasties over the nipples, and G-strings.
But the Clubs with Liquor License were far and few... and very unpopular.

Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.

With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.

I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past.



Wyldanimal
MODERADOR
Desde en Mar 2008
17066 posts

When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 respuestas
Members Post:

My main question is, "When did VG become Totem's "Explicit" and "X-Rated" venue for "Desktop STRIPPERS"? Or maybe a better question would be, "When did VG MEMBERS begin expecting that?"

Wasn't the development of DESK BABES supposed to be the venue for those who wanted to see "Explicit" and/or "X-Rated" shows?

VG is marketed as a "STRIPPER on your desktop". In that regard, I don't expect a VG model to put on a show commensurate with it being an XXX porno movie. A girl who "strips" may end up removing SOME or ALL of her clothes, and it may depend on the local laws in the geographic area where she performs her striptease. That "definition" will accommodate any VG member here who purchases model shows from VG. In my geographical location there are "Full Nudity" establishments where the girl will remove all clothing, but ONLY if no alcoholic beverages are served to the patrons. If ***** is served, the girl will not be allowed to display nipples or any genitalia area (thus they wear "pasties" and must leave at least something that covers their genitalia area).

I agree that may not be the case in other areas of the world. Yes, I have travelled and gone to the full fledged "Banana Shows" in some countries where anything the "stripper" could shove up their bodily orifice was inserted there.

When I go to a "strip bar" or "gentlemen's club", I don't EXPECT to see a performer ("stripper") "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "shoving a broomstick up her *** or ****" (or even "playing with herself" with her own hands). If she removes SOME or ALL of her clothing, then she has met the requirements of her "stripper performance". And I think that Rex's recent request for feedback about casting "beautiful girls for VG who will NOT spread their legs" is totally in line with what a VG "stripper" could be expected to do. I'm amazed some responses Rex got said, "If she won't spread her legs, I'm not buying her show!" Poor expectation from the purchaser of a model in VG.

I'm NOT saying it would be necessary to STOP VG models from "showing pink" or "spreading legs" or "touching themselves" on VG if the model wanted to do that. But ALL of those clips could just be called "Full Nudity". Nobody should EXPECT a VG "stripper" to put on an XXX rated show JUST BECAUSE she got "fully nude". If the model does any of those "extra" things, fine. But the ONLY ratings that should be "required" for VG clips should be "No Nudity", "Topless", and "Full Nudity", even if she does anything "extra".

If a Totem customer wants to see GUARANTEED "Explicit" or "X-Rated" shows where the model will "spread legs" or "show pink" or insert ANYTHING into any of her body cavities, they should be buying Desk Babe shows. There should be no "guarantees" that ANY VG show will be "explicit" or "x-rated", whether there is leg-spreading, pink-showing, or the insertion of a telephone pole into somewhere interior to the model's body parts.

When did Virtual Girl go "hardcore"? Why should ANY VG show clip need an "explicit" or "x-rated" tag...for ANY reason? Heck, we might as well just get rid of Desk Babes and combine all the cards into one venue if the expectation is "Strippers On Your Desktop" means "explicit and x-rated" XXX-Hardcore now.
szalka
Desde en Apr 2010
4471 posts

Happy birthday to the VG models

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June 21, 2013, 529 respuestas
21 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, friendly, smiling sexy blonde Hungarian VG & DB model and well known porn star Blue Angel's birthdate
She's 10 cards (6 solo and 1 duo vards in VG & 1 solo and 2 duo cards in DB)
Her shoots was at VG and DB in November of 2010
She's born in the northeast of Hungary, in the large industrial city, Miskolc
She started modeling in 2007 when she was only 19 years old
When she young, she's learnt ballet, she's still really flexible girl
Her main characteristics her puffy perky boobs
She played in more than 150 adult films until 2007 - with boy and girls, in anal too - mainly with the Digital Sin, 21Sextury, Evil Angel, Viv Thomas and Girlfriend Films staffs
Her photoes was in Hustler's Best Of Barely Legal #115 - US version; in H Extremo - July 2011 - Mexican version and in Private Magazine #217
Her awards: AVN Award - Female Foreign Performer of the Year 2009; Viv Thomas - Babe of the Month November 2009; Viv Thomas - Babe of the Month December 2010; Xbiz - Female Foreign Performer of the Year 2011
Her favourites:
  • colour: white
  • fashion: Bershka (sporty style)
  • perfume: Woman by Hugo Boss
  • jewellery: gold
  • drink: Coca-Cola
  • goodies: Nutella
  • music: rock
  • internet: YouTube
She hasn't tattoes, but she's piercings in her neck (five studs)
She loves dancing
She doesn't drink *****, but she's smoking
She's one of my biggest favourites and I hop she'll come back in the DB in the near future
Her stage names are Angel, Angel B., Angel Blue, Angelica, Beatrice, Blue, Leila, Piaf, Sissy Blake, Viva Style, Viven Piaf, Vivian, Vivian Piaf, Vivien, Vivien Piaf, Vivien Style, Vivien T., Vivien Toth
Her real name is Vivien Tóth and her nickname is Vivi
Happy birthday Blue Angel (Vivien)
szalka
Desde en Apr 2010
4471 posts