It would be nice to see you add a T-girl option, or a separate Virtual T-girl program.

I fully agree with 91hebasu

Can we please just give it a rest and stop the bickering about explicit and x-rated material. Especially this new legality discussion. If it wasn't legal, they wouldn't have been in business at all.

We all have the ability to choose which clips we wish to watch and block the ones we don't. People who keep trying to insist that no one should have the right to see something YOU don't want to see has been an old and tiring subject. I personally am sick of people who bitch and whine about what they believe is too much.

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. If you just want pretty girls dancing and no nudity, Totem is working on that too.



I feel that this thread has quickly become one members Crusade and the Powers That Be need to put a stop to it and remove the sticky. Close the thread, if need be.

Enough is Enough.

Indeed, as a company and as a business, not as creators and not about the content of their products as I said. The content Totem delivers is legal in the free world. Inside the legal aspects, they are free to produce their product any way they want and as long it generates them a benefit.

The discussion just derailed from what level is fingering and spicy stuff alike to if laws and customs for real strip clubs apply to this software. That is not even on the table. In some countries any form of porn is prohibited. In others is even ilegal and is punishable by law to even look at this site and in others you just will go to hell.

Totem would be doing just wrong if they started to think about "reality". This is fantasy, and in fantasy all is good as long as it ***** nobody.

Hi everyone can anyone help, since I updated to version 1.1.0.70 all the cards in my collection have changed from colour to black and white, I don't think I changed any settings, thanks in advance....

Nope. The content is as free as with a movie or a book. That's liberty of expression. The company must comply with the regulations for an adult product, like the 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 Compliance. What they put inside is what makes people pay for it and make it a business.

As a company, me is pretty sure they also comply with all the legal requirements. As creators, is their product and their choice to present whatever they want.

I am a very proud user of Totem. From end 2008 I am using the software of Totem. I have seen that Totem do anything to make us safisfied. As I see the cards I have buy in the years the quality is raising because the software is advance to new srandards. But that's only possible as users/members buy cards or get subscriptions.

Thank you Totem team for your input and I hope you are devolping more and more things to make Virtua Girl and Deskbabe an even better product so it stays interesting for existing users and new users.

Of course you can compare a real strip club to this, the software is based and tries to recreate aspects of one. But that is all. This software is not even a "strip club simulator", you don't get to tip the strippers, buying them drinks, have a noisy crowd clapping and whistling and a bouncer that kick your arse if you ***** the strippers, lol.

This is an original creation based upon a real activity and just recreates some aspects. Being a virtual world it follows its own rules and need to follow no real, legal, administrative or laboral conditions as any real club. This is just a software and can be anything the creators want. Totem indeed offer striptease, you will get that. But being this a virtual, original, made up club, the limits to what can be included in a show are only limited by the creators will and not the real world.

I dont know about you guys, but personally I find that VG has better looking girls than DB(excluding the ones who perform in both) so the whole "If you want explicit stuff, go to DB" argument is flawed. I have way more VG cards than DB because of this reason. I know on VG the explicitness is limited but still, very enjoyable when it appears. Who cares what real strip clubs are like, this is a computer program, its never gonna be like the real thing. Leave the explicitness as is, no need to change nothing.

@member...
The 'all audience' you ask about is the current 'level 0' that is not in use. My guess this level will be used in the new dance software Totem is developing.

Aria

Aria Giovanni 10

Little Caprice 2

There used to be an 'all audience' level in previous versions right? I always wondered why that level was left at some point, did it become 'lightly sexy'?

It seems CyberVixen is also vixen01, which means @CyberVixen you have cast 1 vote too many (only 1 vote per person per challenge allowed).

So the score goes back to

Little Caprice 2
Aria Giovanni 9

and the challenge is open again (until 12:00 paris time)

@szalka
Thanks for the samples from VG2 and also to Gonzo420 for re-quoting what I posted.
Totem's VG has always been an explicit product..
and by Todays guide, often times it would have been X-rated.

by XXXXXX
"@Wyldanimal: Do you know of any future plan to extend the rating system beyond 0 to 5 (say from 0 to 10)?"

I would tend to say No.
I myself believe the 6 level system currently in place is almost perfect for all current Totem products.

As I mentioned before, I think there are some tweaks needed between level 3 and level 4.
But other than that, the 6 current levels are sufficient.

What I also feel is that the level guide is too technical.
too much wording that leads to debates about does he clip meet this level wording, or a different level wording.

But this is not up to me or the other QA members, it's Totems guide, and we try to follow it. Sometimes we question and debate about it, but Totem has the final say.

Level 0 has yet to be used by Totem's products, but with the New Product iDancer that REX brought up. This level might be reserved for that.
0- under 18 approved, I think Totem called it "All Audience"
1- no nudity - might containe some sexual suggestive content.
2- toples
3- full nudity, bottomless
4- explicit
5- X-rated

but like I said, each level has a lot of descriptive wording.
so the levels just aren't that simple to decide sometimes.

With more member feed back, citing specific clip examples.
Totem might at some time adjust the guide again.

But I think it is really pretty good as it stands now.

Unfortunately, previously rated cards won't get re-rated anytime soon, if at all.
with current production schedules, there just isn't enough time to go back and re-rate them.
So Unless a card has a flaw and needs to be re-encoded. the current ratings of the cards are how they are.

For information:
But the Classic show majority are nax. full nudity rating, but in the old VG2 shows were expicite and X-rated shows too.
In some show's bonus photoes more models are with vibrators or dildos.
(What a pity these shows aren't seen in Classic shows a few exceptions)

In the picture seen girls:

• Alexis Amore
• Amanda
• Angel Dark
• Ariana
• Belicia
• Carol G.
• Jennifer Max
• Joanna
• Liliane Tiger
• Puma Swede

As Wyldanimal pointed out: "VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen."
After purchasing several "Classic" cards, I have seen this for myself. Therefore, I can only conclude that VG has always been at least "explicit", and by today's Totem guidelines, "x-rated" as well.

Carla with Tracy's pussy

Lena and Lola ... nude
... and a spicy bonus

Two sexy blondes:
Lena and Lola ... dressed

my apologies. you're right, that was uncalled for

@vixen01: you get to pick a new challenger who takes on Mirka tomorrow at 12:00 Paris time!

Aria isn't fat... she's very well put together.

and well

Aria Giovanni just cus i dont like *****

little caprice 2
Aria Giovanni 10

Aria wins

i go for Aria!

Little Caprice 2
Aria Giovanni 8

I see only the big tit fans are voting so far...

Caprice 2
fat lady 7

has to be Aria although they are both beautiful in their own way

Little Caprice 1
Aria Giovanni 7

Aria!

Little Caprice 1
Aria Giovanni 6

Aria for me as well, easy win!

Little Caprice 1
Aria Giovanni 5

Aria Giovanni

Aria 4
Caprice 1

Aria 3
Caprice 1

Caprice

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Although I agree with most that has been said in the topic by the OP, I disagree about the comparison about a real strip club and a software that barely recreates the experience. Is just like comparing real driving to GTA.

"Strippers on your desktop" is indeed descriptive of what the software is about, but it does not limit what the models can or would do besides that. And, in fact, it doesn't.

Totem added the sexual behaviour long ago to the shows. Now, they like it or not, is part of the product. The users are used to it and they will dislike plenty if it is gone or absent. In the "Totem's strip club" a girl open her legs, rubs and at times fingers herself. Is normal, to me, that many people expects to see that when they pay their "entrance" to this club. I don't feel amazed if the habituals boo to mild shows that give less for the same money.

People tend to forget that all this X-rated stuff for VG was originated by the "bottle incident" that halted the natural evolution of VG. Before that all was explicit at top, including fingering and pretended orgasms.

VG became X-Rated the moment the need to produce shows again for VG with the content that was removed, ***** off users for years, and restored later had to be equalized, nominately, to a different product that took the same sexual behaviour, increased, to cater for people looking for hardcore porn. When I said "nominately", I'm agreeing that VG, even with some energic fingering as models like Natali Blond or Marie did, should not be ever considered "X-rated", but the top of the VG sexual behaviour. Not a single model ever again achieved the joyful sexual behaviour of the pre-bottle incident and likely none ever will.

So, explicit and X-rated for VG is just semantics. I think, then, that no matter what a VG model is willing to do, or end up doing after the stripping, the production will not release or allow DBs-style of L5 content on the VG product and so, all the spicy stuff happening in VG can be just labeled as explicit. That way no user will ever expect to see real long masturbation in VG and it can finally be detached from DBs.

Now, full nudity and explicit, I do think can be something users with softer preferences might want to keep specified, cause seems some people just don't like to see sexual behaviour. So I think this tag is needed.

Aria Giovanni

Aria 2
Caprice 0

what would be interesting to see is a before pic to go with the after if the girls are up for it. I know a lot won't be seen without makeup though so highly unlikely.

the girls look a million dollars though after you've worked your magic, especially in the slightly gapped gowns.

Aria Giovanni

Aria 1
Caprice 0

23 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, big boobed sexy blonde VG model Chikita's birthdate
She's 6 cards (all solo cards in VG)
Her shoots was at VG in 2008
She's born in a Moravian city, Jíhlava, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2007 when she was only 19 years old
She played in 5 adult films until 2010 - only in solo scenes
She's lot of photoes and small videos in the net
She's well known photo model around the world
She posed several times in Playboy as Cikita Pechova: She was in the Playboy's US Special Editions in 2008 "Natural beauties", "Lingerie", "Vixen's" and "Big Boobs and Hot Buns"
She posed several times in several editon the Penthouse magazine: In December of 2008 in US edtion; in January of 2009 in German edition; in September of 2009 in Australian edttion; in September of 2010 in US edition; in January of 2011 in Portugal edtion; in June of 2011 in US editon - with Carmen Gemini
She posed too in the Hustler's Covergirl magazine (US) in September of 2010
She posed too in the High Society magazine (US) in November of 2011
She posed too in UK magazine's: Zoo, Nuts, Myfaire
She posed in some lingerie catalues: Secretsinlace lingerie (US); Orion (German), Beate Uhse's European lingerie catalogues
She worked with some well known photographers: f.e. Woman with Holly Randall; Nude album.1 - picture book with Scott Davison; calendar shootings with Manfred Baumann, Martin Wieland; advertisement shoot with French fashion photographer Emanuel Fuque
In her homeland she well known as Markéta Pechová (this is her real name)
She loves traveling; she speaks well Czech, Slovakian, German and English
She's a very natural girl with big natural DD-cup boobs and round bum - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
According her model site of PureStorm she's living in Bournemouth, Dorset, England, UK
She has a lot, 26 stage names!!
Her stage names are Betty, Cecilia, Cheyenne, Chickie, Chikita A., Chiquita, Cikita, Cikita A., Cikita Cordero, Cikita Pechova, Cikita Vloer, Citika, Destiny Scott, Grace Watkins, Hana, Iveta, Janine, Karina Myerson, Magdalene, Mandy, Marketa, Marketa P., Marketa Pechova, Marketta, Melissa, Tchikita
Her real name is Markéta Pechová
Happy birthday Chikita (Markéta)

Stickyed as requested

23 of June is the blue eyed, sexy blonde VG Classic and DB model Sandy's birthdate
She's 6 cards (2 solo cards in VG Classic & 1 solo and 3 duo cards in DB)
Her shoots was at VG2 in 2003 and 2004; at DB in 2010
SHe's born in the Moravian capital city, Brno, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2003 when she was only 19 years old
When she started modeling she studies criminology and works part time in a market
She played in 20 adult films until 2003 - only in solo and girl/girl scenes
She's well known as Joana Redgrave
Her stage name Sandy she only in VG and DB used
In her homelnad, Czech Republic she's known as Jana Mrhacová - this is her real name
She's a natural girl with tiny tits and round bum - her boobs are A-cups - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
She loves reading a lot especially criminal books or fictions
She enjoys sport, including mountain biking, swimming, playing squash and spending time with her friends
She has a lot, 54 stage names!!
Her stage names are Abbey, Alena, Alyssa, Brigitte, Deny, Elisabeth, Elizabeth, Grace, Heather, Heather Lightspeed, Jackie, Jamie, Jamie J., Jana, Jana A., Jana B., Jana Claire, Jana D., Jana E., Jana M., Jana Malone, Jana Mrhacova, Jana Q., Jana S., Jana Simkova, Jana Surkova, Jane A., Jane S., Janie, Janka, Jenna, Joana Redgrave, Kim, Megan, Melissa, Nella, Sandy, Sara, Shane, Sharon, Sofie, Stefanie, Tina, Vanesa, Vanessa, Vanessa H., Vanessa M., Veronica, Veronika, Wanesa, Willow, Yana, Yana M., Zoe
Her real name is Jana Mrhacová
Happy birthday Sandy (Jana)

@Cartref and Wyldanimal,

Just a thought. I used to moderate several different forums for Internet sites. This whole thread seems to be an outstanding candidate for a "Sticky" thread. Several reasons:

1. As shown in Cartref's post above, the same topic has a history of repeating itself over time.

2. Normally when #1 above happens, it is started again by a relatively "new" forum member who may not realize it has been beat to death several times in the past (they don't use or know how to use the forum's Search Function).

3. I've been a member here for over 5 years and I myself have never seen an all-inclusive explanation of Totem's difference between VG and DB as explained in Wyldanimal's post above.

If this thread was made a "Sticky" at the top of the forum section here, it could easily prevent some of the recurring startups of the same topic again. Or at least make a quick "Lookie Here" link in a quick reply post to the reasons for the way clips are tagged concerning "Nudity Level"...which is actually the wrong term for it now, as the GUI calls it "Eroticism" now. That alone...understanding that it isn't really the "level of nudity" but rather the "level of Eroticism" that is being tagged...could make a difference in how the tag is perceived by someone. Honestly, I hadn't noticed myself until posting my earlier posts that the tag is labeling an "Eroticism" level as opposed to a "Nudity Level" now.

Just an idea.

I dont mind seing some explicit in a VG show tho but im not expecting it and when it comes to x-rated thats something im not expecting to se in a VG show at all, in the other end i would not get upset if i got a vg card that had some x-rated.

Just like starryk said.. as long as a girl seems to like what she does and its a good performance explicit and/or x-rated or neither of them.

23 of June is the brown eyed, tiny titted, sexy sweet brunette Hungarian VG model and well known porn star Angelina *****'s birthdate
She's only 4 cards (3 solo and 1 duo cards in VG)
Her shoots was at VG in 2008
She started modeling in 2003 when she was only 23 years old
She played in more than 130 adult films until 2003 - with boys and girls, in anal scenes too - she's one of Anal Queens in the porn business - mainly with the biggest porn movie companies' staffs
In 2005 she won the category of "Best New Starlet" at International Porn Awards in Beograd
She likes younger then her really age - she's a small natural girl with tiny tits and round bum - her heights is 5'2 (1.57 m), her weights is 92 lbs (42 kg), her boobs are A-cups - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
She loves listening the house music, dancing, sports including swimming, gym, ice skating, computer
Until 2008 she working at photographer too
She's still active and she's one of my biggest favourites and I hop she'll come back in the DB in the near future
Her stage names are Angela Black, Angela *****, Angelica *****, Angelina, Angelina Crown, Carrye, Julia *****, Nicoletta, Nikoletta, Simona H.
Her real name is Nikolette and her nickname is Niki
Happy birthday Angelina (Niki)

I don't know why are these differences, but in the VG first edition and later in the VG2 were a lot differences between the models' "VG-bio" and her real bio.

F.e. some girls:
Cameron - she's same as Cameron Cruz in DeskBabes - she in VG Classic was indicating as American, but she's Hungarian - this see in DB - but her nationality not fixed in her Classic data sheet...
Dana V. - she's not Anerican too, she's Hungarian...
Anita Dark - in VG2 and VG Classic she's indicating as Anerican, but her nationality is Hungarian - however she's been living for many years in USA, at least this information is really...
etc.

Phoebe (Peaches) is one of them. She's really Hungarian and she really a tall, beautiful, big boobed model.

Little Caprice wins and challenges Aria Giovanni starting at 12:00, a bit less than 3 hours from now.

Thanks for your thorough explanation WA

For me the expectations I have regarding an x-rated clip are set by the last 2 years of x-rated clips. And in these x-rated was either spreading, finger insertion or heavy rubbing etc. Because of that only a few VG shows had x-rated clips and also only few of them.
And if i then see a show that has 8! x-rated clips I will expect a certain behaviour from the model in that show. If the same 8 clips would have been tagged explicit I wouldn't have these expectations and i wouldn't have ***** about the show at all. I wouldn't have said: "Well why does that show not have x-rated content?' I would just have enjoyed the show.
For me a show doesn't have to be explicit or x-rated it just has to be a good performance or a model clearly enjoying what she does. Then she can even be a bit clumsy if i get the vibe that she has fun its fine.

Just a note as I think this have been discussed all to much in the past.

When Totem released VGHD in 2007 explicit was a "bonus" in the first 200-300 cards or so. Then Totem made an active decision to spice it up a notch letting the girls go further. Before that the girls were "held back" by the team.

Comparing cards by models like Silver and Carol G, whom both did VG2, their early VGHD cards are almost only "full nudity". Their VG2 cards were way more explicit in the old classics.

So to answer the question... the first real X-rated moves were done by Liliane Tiger in her card Brooklyn nights (136). In the clip named a0136_68403.vghd there's some brief explicit fingering that might have warranted an X-rated level by todays standard =)

Just bought her VG2 card and I noticed this

Origins Seville/Spain
Age 32
Height 5.1
Weight 112
Vital statistics 35/22/33

While http://www.wikiporno.org/wiki/Peaches says

Birth location: Budapest, Hungary
Birthday: February 24, 1984
Height: 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Weight: 125 lb (57 kg/8.9 st)
Measurements: 36C-26-38 (91-66-96 cm.)

Why the differences?

@Wyldanimal

OK, that's the first time I've ever seen a complete explanation of Totem's intended differences between VG and Desk Babes. It clears up some things I've wondered about in the past. I always assumed DB was more "Sex on your Desktop" than VG, but couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be "2 girl lesbian", why there were some single model shows on it. I'm still having some difficulty discerning why having a dildo shoved inside a girl on Desk Babes is "Sex on your Desktop" while having a model with her fingers inside her on VG isn't "Sex on your Desktop", but that's just me. ;-)

Hopefully someday everyone will be able to agree on what an "explicit" vs an "x-rated" clip should contain, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's what I was posting about in the first place. I can't conceive of any "guideline" used by Totem that will please everybody when it comes to deciding if a clip is "explicit" vs "x-rated". Or for that matter, even some of the other tags used. There are just too many variables in the opinions different people will have.

As an example, take a clip where the model is on the taskbar wearing only a thong or bikini bottom. Obviously, she is "Topless". At no time during the clip does she expose any nudity below the bottom clothing item. But she does slide her hand inside the thong/bikini bottom and is obviously "touching herself" ("explicit"?) or maybe even inserting part of her hand into herself ("x-rated"?). What is the appropriate "tag" for the nudity level of that clip?

I guess it depends on whether the criteria is "What you see" vs "What she is doing". I have a very vivid imagination, so I wouldn't have a problem calling that clip "explicit" or "x-rated". ;-)

Many other members would probably disagree with me and say "It's only topless!" And that's OK too. But it would never stop any debate from occurring in the future again. ;-)

I'm satisfied with your answer. In as much as I am the "Member" who made the post you used in the second post of this thread, you can close this thread if you want to.

PS - Just so there is no misunderstanding, I have NO PROBLEM with a VG model being explicit or x-rated. In my previous "mis"-understanding of Totem's idea of the differences between VG and DB, I just never EXPECTED a model in VG to have to include explicit or x-rated content in one of her shows. The ***** of it would never have been a determining factor in whether I would buy her show or not. That's why I don't have a problem with Rex's idea of casting "no leg spread" models for VG. But obviously based on some other member's posts, they would have a problem and have even stated they would not buy a show like that because it lacked explicit or x-rated content in the show. To each his own, I guess.

VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen.

VirtuaGirl HD changed all that.
Up until about card a0500 VG was a very explicit and often X-rated product.

At that time there were only 4 levels.
No nudity
Topless
Nude
Explicit - included anything that was more then just Nude.

In 2009 Totem created a new lesbian based product Similar in style to the gay product VirtuaGuy. This new product was called Deskbabes.
Totem Decided that ONE GUI would be used for all of the Products.

This required a new Rating system with the addition of 2 more level.
There is a Level 0, which so far has remained unused.
And the Addition of Level 5.

Totem, not the Members, created the Level Guide for assigning the Levels which are encoded into the clip and the clip name.
Since 2009, this Guide has been a work in progress. As new clips with Borderline or Different Not seen before content comes up, the guide has been adjusted.

I think it is very close to being just about perfect, with the most recent change.
Now the Split between Level 3 and Level 4 just needs a little tweak..

The only similarity between Deskbabes to VirtuaGirl, was that it would be all girls.
It is a completely Different product from VG.

So For the Members who always say, "if you want explicit or X-rated content, use DB"
It's like comparing Bananas to Sneakers. They aren't even similar.

I'm in the US. I've been to many Gentlemen's clubs.
I've never been to one that didn't have spreading, or heavy rubbing.
and some of them Did have finger insertions.
These were all BYOB clubs.

So that is what I expect from VG.
A good performance with Dancing and Striptease, but it also should go to completion with between the leg views, and if the model is willing, heavy rubbing / insertion.

The Level control of the GUI, give you as a Member, the Option to View or NOT view this content.
But it is part of the content, and should not be restricted or removed.

Granted, There were a few clubs that Had Liquor License. and In thoes clubs, the girls couldn't even get Toppless. Pasties over the nipples, and G-strings.
But the Clubs with Liquor License were far and few... and very unpopular.

Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.

With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.

I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past.

Agree & support WA's decision to create this topic, but to give an understanding as to how long this subject has been debated, see the pic for the bottom end of a search on topic with "explicit" in the title.

One such topic can be found here:

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=982

One requirement of this topic though is to keep it civil. If you read the above topic, you will find that towards the end, it started to become personal. I recall other topics where it got a lot nastier. Don't let it happen here!

This debate can easily get heated if members do not as WA has said many times, "take a deep breath".