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Wyldanimal
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When did VG become X-rated?

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June 24, 2013, 91 アンサー
by XXXXXX
"@Wyldanimal: Do you know of any future plan to extend the rating system beyond 0 to 5 (say from 0 to 10)?"

I would tend to say No.
I myself believe the 6 level system currently in place is almost perfect for all current Totem products.

As I mentioned before, I think there are some tweaks needed between level 3 and level 4.
But other than that, the 6 current levels are sufficient.

What I also feel is that the level guide is too technical.
too much wording that leads to debates about does he clip meet this level wording, or a different level wording.

But this is not up to me or the other QA members, it's Totems guide, and we try to follow it. Sometimes we question and debate about it, but Totem has the final say.

Level 0 has yet to be used by Totem's products, but with the New Product iDancer that REX brought up. This level might be reserved for that.
0- under 18 approved, I think Totem called it "All Audience"
1- no nudity - might containe some sexual suggestive content.
2- toples
3- full nudity, bottomless
4- explicit
5- X-rated

but like I said, each level has a lot of descriptive wording.
so the levels just aren't that simple to decide sometimes.

With more member feed back, citing specific clip examples.
Totem might at some time adjust the guide again.

But I think it is really pretty good as it stands now.

Unfortunately, previously rated cards won't get re-rated anytime soon, if at all.
with current production schedules, there just isn't enough time to go back and re-rate them.
So Unless a card has a flaw and needs to be re-encoded. the current ratings of the cards are how they are.





Oquijan
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When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 アンサー
Although I agree with most that has been said in the topic by the OP, I disagree about the comparison about a real strip club and a software that barely recreates the experience. Is just like comparing real driving to GTA.

"Strippers on your desktop" is indeed descriptive of what the software is about, but it does not limit what the models can or would do besides that. And, in fact, it doesn't.

Totem added the sexual behaviour long ago to the shows. Now, they like it or not, is part of the product. The users are used to it and they will dislike plenty if it is gone or absent. In the "Totem's strip club" a girl open her legs, rubs and at times fingers herself. Is normal, to me, that many people expects to see that when they pay their "entrance" to this club. I don't feel amazed if the habituals boo to mild shows that give less for the same money.

People tend to forget that all this X-rated stuff for VG was originated by the "bottle incident" that halted the natural evolution of VG. Before that all was explicit at top, including fingering and pretended orgasms.

VG became X-Rated the moment the need to produce shows again for VG with the content that was removed, ***** off users for years, and restored later had to be equalized, nominately, to a different product that took the same sexual behaviour, increased, to cater for people looking for hardcore porn. When I said "nominately", I'm agreeing that VG, even with some energic fingering as models like Natali Blond or Marie did, should not be ever considered "X-rated", but the top of the VG sexual behaviour. Not a single model ever again achieved the joyful sexual behaviour of the pre-bottle incident and likely none ever will.

So, explicit and X-rated for VG is just semantics. I think, then, that no matter what a VG model is willing to do, or end up doing after the stripping, the production will not release or allow DBs-style of L5 content on the VG product and so, all the spicy stuff happening in VG can be just labeled as explicit. That way no user will ever expect to see real long masturbation in VG and it can finally be detached from DBs.

Now, full nudity and explicit, I do think can be something users with softer preferences might want to keep specified, cause seems some people just don't like to see sexual behaviour. So I think this tag is needed.
szalka
Joined in Apr 2010
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Happy birthday to the VG models

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June 23, 2013, 529 アンサー
23 of June is the beautiful blue eyed, big boobed sexy blonde VG model Chikita's birthdate
She's 6 cards (all solo cards in VG)
Her shoots was at VG in 2008
She's born in a Moravian city, Jíhlava, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2007 when she was only 19 years old
She played in 5 adult films until 2010 - only in solo scenes
She's lot of photoes and small videos in the net
She's well known photo model around the world
She posed several times in Playboy as Cikita Pechova: She was in the Playboy's US Special Editions in 2008 "Natural beauties", "Lingerie", "Vixen's" and "Big Boobs and Hot Buns"
She posed several times in several editon the Penthouse magazine: In December of 2008 in US edtion; in January of 2009 in German edition; in September of 2009 in Australian edttion; in September of 2010 in US edition; in January of 2011 in Portugal edtion; in June of 2011 in US editon - with Carmen Gemini
She posed too in the Hustler's Covergirl magazine (US) in September of 2010
She posed too in the High Society magazine (US) in November of 2011
She posed too in UK magazine's: Zoo, Nuts, Myfaire
She posed in some lingerie catalues: Secretsinlace lingerie (US); Orion (German), Beate Uhse's European lingerie catalogues
She worked with some well known photographers: f.e. Woman with Holly Randall; Nude album.1 - picture book with Scott Davison; calendar shootings with Manfred Baumann, Martin Wieland; advertisement shoot with French fashion photographer Emanuel Fuque
In her homeland she well known as Markéta Pechová (this is her real name)
She loves traveling; she speaks well Czech, Slovakian, German and English
She's a very natural girl with big natural DD-cup boobs and round bum - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
According her model site of PureStorm she's living in Bournemouth, Dorset, England, UK
She has a lot, 26 stage names!!
Her stage names are Betty, Cecilia, Cheyenne, Chickie, Chikita A., Chiquita, Cikita, Cikita A., Cikita Cordero, Cikita Pechova, Cikita Vloer, Citika, Destiny Scott, Grace Watkins, Hana, Iveta, Janine, Karina Myerson, Magdalene, Mandy, Marketa, Marketa P., Marketa Pechova, Marketta, Melissa, Tchikita
Her real name is Markéta Pechová
Happy birthday Chikita (Markéta)
szalka
Joined in Apr 2010
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Happy birthday to the VG models

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June 23, 2013, 529 アンサー
23 of June is the blue eyed, sexy blonde VG Classic and DB model Sandy's birthdate
She's 6 cards (2 solo cards in VG Classic & 1 solo and 3 duo cards in DB)
Her shoots was at VG2 in 2003 and 2004; at DB in 2010
SHe's born in the Moravian capital city, Brno, Czechoslovakia, now Czech Republic
She started modeling in 2003 when she was only 19 years old
When she started modeling she studies criminology and works part time in a market
She played in 20 adult films until 2003 - only in solo and girl/girl scenes
She's well known as Joana Redgrave
Her stage name Sandy she only in VG and DB used
In her homelnad, Czech Republic she's known as Jana Mrhacová - this is her real name
She's a natural girl with tiny tits and round bum - her boobs are A-cups - no tattoes, no piercings, no silicone
She loves reading a lot especially criminal books or fictions
She enjoys sport, including mountain biking, swimming, playing squash and spending time with her friends
She has a lot, 54 stage names!!
Her stage names are Abbey, Alena, Alyssa, Brigitte, Deny, Elisabeth, Elizabeth, Grace, Heather, Heather Lightspeed, Jackie, Jamie, Jamie J., Jana, Jana A., Jana B., Jana Claire, Jana D., Jana E., Jana M., Jana Malone, Jana Mrhacova, Jana Q., Jana S., Jana Simkova, Jana Surkova, Jane A., Jane S., Janie, Janka, Jenna, Joana Redgrave, Kim, Megan, Melissa, Nella, Sandy, Sara, Shane, Sharon, Sofie, Stefanie, Tina, Vanesa, Vanessa, Vanessa H., Vanessa M., Veronica, Veronika, Wanesa, Willow, Yana, Yana M., Zoe
Her real name is Jana Mrhacová
Happy birthday Sandy (Jana)
FalconAF
Joined in Jan 2008
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When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 アンサー
@Cartref and Wyldanimal,

Just a thought. I used to moderate several different forums for Internet sites. This whole thread seems to be an outstanding candidate for a "Sticky" thread. Several reasons:

1. As shown in Cartref's post above, the same topic has a history of repeating itself over time.

2. Normally when #1 above happens, it is started again by a relatively "new" forum member who may not realize it has been beat to death several times in the past (they don't use or know how to use the forum's Search Function).

3. I've been a member here for over 5 years and I myself have never seen an all-inclusive explanation of Totem's difference between VG and DB as explained in Wyldanimal's post above.

If this thread was made a "Sticky" at the top of the forum section here, it could easily prevent some of the recurring startups of the same topic again. Or at least make a quick "Lookie Here" link in a quick reply post to the reasons for the way clips are tagged concerning "Nudity Level"...which is actually the wrong term for it now, as the GUI calls it "Eroticism" now. That alone...understanding that it isn't really the "level of nudity" but rather the "level of Eroticism" that is being tagged...could make a difference in how the tag is perceived by someone. Honestly, I hadn't noticed myself until posting my earlier posts that the tag is labeling an "Eroticism" level as opposed to a "Nudity Level" now.

Just an idea.
FalconAF
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When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 アンサー
@Wyldanimal

OK, that's the first time I've ever seen a complete explanation of Totem's intended differences between VG and Desk Babes. It clears up some things I've wondered about in the past. I always assumed DB was more "Sex on your Desktop" than VG, but couldn't figure out if it was supposed to be "2 girl lesbian", why there were some single model shows on it. I'm still having some difficulty discerning why having a dildo shoved inside a girl on Desk Babes is "Sex on your Desktop" while having a model with her fingers inside her on VG isn't "Sex on your Desktop", but that's just me. ;-)

Hopefully someday everyone will be able to agree on what an "explicit" vs an "x-rated" clip should contain, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's what I was posting about in the first place. I can't conceive of any "guideline" used by Totem that will please everybody when it comes to deciding if a clip is "explicit" vs "x-rated". Or for that matter, even some of the other tags used. There are just too many variables in the opinions different people will have.

As an example, take a clip where the model is on the taskbar wearing only a thong or bikini bottom. Obviously, she is "Topless". At no time during the clip does she expose any nudity below the bottom clothing item. But she does slide her hand inside the thong/bikini bottom and is obviously "touching herself" ("explicit"?) or maybe even inserting part of her hand into herself ("x-rated"?). What is the appropriate "tag" for the nudity level of that clip?

I guess it depends on whether the criteria is "What you see" vs "What she is doing". I have a very vivid imagination, so I wouldn't have a problem calling that clip "explicit" or "x-rated". ;-)

Many other members would probably disagree with me and say "It's only topless!" And that's OK too. But it would never stop any debate from occurring in the future again. ;-)

I'm satisfied with your answer. In as much as I am the "Member" who made the post you used in the second post of this thread, you can close this thread if you want to.

PS - Just so there is no misunderstanding, I have NO PROBLEM with a VG model being explicit or x-rated. In my previous "mis"-understanding of Totem's idea of the differences between VG and DB, I just never EXPECTED a model in VG to have to include explicit or x-rated content in one of her shows. The ***** of it would never have been a determining factor in whether I would buy her show or not. That's why I don't have a problem with Rex's idea of casting "no leg spread" models for VG. But obviously based on some other member's posts, they would have a problem and have even stated they would not buy a show like that because it lacked explicit or x-rated content in the show. To each his own, I guess.
Wyldanimal
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When did VG become X-rated?

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June 23, 2013, 91 アンサー
VG, VG2, Stripsaver2 all of Totem's prior Desktop stripper programs, Had been just as Explicit or X-rated. In fact I'd say the prior products were even more so than it is now.
The biggest difference in the older products, was resolution.
You really couldn't see the Explicit or X-rated action because the Size of the product was so small on the screen.

VirtuaGirl HD changed all that.
Up until about card a0500 VG was a very explicit and often X-rated product.

At that time there were only 4 levels.
No nudity
Topless
Nude
Explicit - included anything that was more then just Nude.

In 2009 Totem created a new lesbian based product Similar in style to the gay product VirtuaGuy. This new product was called Deskbabes.
Totem Decided that ONE GUI would be used for all of the Products.

This required a new Rating system with the addition of 2 more level.
There is a Level 0, which so far has remained unused.
And the Addition of Level 5.

Totem, not the Members, created the Level Guide for assigning the Levels which are encoded into the clip and the clip name.
Since 2009, this Guide has been a work in progress. As new clips with Borderline or Different Not seen before content comes up, the guide has been adjusted.

I think it is very close to being just about perfect, with the most recent change.
Now the Split between Level 3 and Level 4 just needs a little tweak..

The only similarity between Deskbabes to VirtuaGirl, was that it would be all girls.
It is a completely Different product from VG.

So For the Members who always say, "if you want explicit or X-rated content, use DB"
It's like comparing Bananas to Sneakers. They aren't even similar.

I'm in the US. I've been to many Gentlemen's clubs.
I've never been to one that didn't have spreading, or heavy rubbing.
and some of them Did have finger insertions.
These were all BYOB clubs.

So that is what I expect from VG.
A good performance with Dancing and Striptease, but it also should go to completion with between the leg views, and if the model is willing, heavy rubbing / insertion.

The Level control of the GUI, give you as a Member, the Option to View or NOT view this content.
But it is part of the content, and should not be restricted or removed.

Granted, There were a few clubs that Had Liquor License. and In thoes clubs, the girls couldn't even get Toppless. Pasties over the nipples, and G-strings.
But the Clubs with Liquor License were far and few... and very unpopular.

Deskbabes is not a substitute for Virtuagirl, it also not a more X-rated version of VirtuaGirl.
Deskbabes is it's own product, it is not a stripping or Dance product.
"Sex on your Desktop" featuring all girls.

With VirtuaGirl, I want a good Performance that includes All the Levels, including Explicit and X-rated content, just like it has always been.

I don't think anyone is asking fo VG to become a hardcore XXX porn product.
We just want it to still contain the explicit and X-rated type of clips it has in the past.



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