That is awesome! Dungeons & Deskbabes anyone?

Pardon me for starting off on a tangent, but I equate this to the craft beer explosion. There are some amazing beers out there, and everyone has their favorites, but the most common out there are the "domestics" - the Buds, Millers, Coors. As far as beers go, they're not really bad, they're just designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator - which seems to be the way most of the models on VirtuaGirl are. They're mostly beautiful, for sure, but the ones that truly stand out for me are the ones who vary the most.

Two of my favorites? Kelly Black, who has her share of detractors (and I'm generally very anti boob job - there's just something about her) and Goldie - honestly, can you get any more opposite? Liza Del Sierra was a breath of fresh air.

I'm only posting this here because I just went through the recent Casting Thread, and they really didn't vary much.

Variety is the spice of life.

You create your own VGHD board game because you like the idea of your favourite girls slaughtering orcs.

You need to update the GUI to the Current Version.
If you Don't All cards will cost you 2 credits.

The Old GUI does not know how to work with the New card system.

GUI = VG software.

Lia Taylor, absolutely gorgeous !

Lola Reve, delicious frenchy girl !

When you get kicks out of putting very large melee weapons in the girls's hand.

With all the ***** and stuff I just thought he was looking for a fight with... anybody. ;)

I buy most of my cards from the store (I also got some on VIP) The ones on the Demo tend to have a lot of the more recent ones and as a general rule I prefer the older (pre cage) style.

@Rex,

Actually......I posted in the other thread, posted in this one a bit later and then moved both of them from Bugs & Fixes a few minutes later. I get the impression that the initial disagreement in the first thread may be what Huzbub incorrectly considers censorship.

@9thebasu
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Standard pricing for all cards has always been 2 credits per card. The carousel pricing of 1 credit was not standard pricing, it was a discounted price."

Sure , but how many users here bought cards using standard pricing before ? ( i doubt many )

So the idea of making users use it and get discounts only if they have more cards to start with is not very friendly to new users who come along is it ? ( esp as it will cost them double the $$$ to reach the same amount as prre-existing users )

I certainly dont care about 3k cards or crappy gimmicks , so to me this whole software upgrade for cards I never asked ( i have an old netbook ) is just bad period.

I remember there was a discussion and poll about the stuff we like or dislike. I really like cage clips for some reason. And i have just realised that reason! Most models are pretty cute and sexy but cant really dance and have a little idea how to use the pole. For some of those girls cage is the best. But I dont remember the outcome of that poll. So are any more cage clips coming up?

@Huzbub There is no censorship here, this thread is the living proof of it. I saw your other thread, it has been rightfully moved from "Bugs & Fixes" to "Everything about VirtuaGirl" by mods. That's maybe why you though there was censorship.

Vanessa Black and Monica Belluci were obviously no part of the shooting session with Amber Nevada, Samantha Bentley, Amirah Adara and Vanessa Decker. These ten cards have all been released.

Vanessa Black and Monica Belluci will most likely be part of the new way Totem is heading with VG. Haven't heard anything about Deskbabes though.

@Huzbub,

Wyldanimal and others bring up some valid points about why your reasoning is a bit flawed. However, everyone is ignoring one huge flaw in your reasoning. The biggest flaw with your viewpoint is that you are ignoring the one element of time. Anyone that knows anything about economics and the very nature of inflation knows that money does not have the same buying power over time. What you make today in income is worth less everyday in an economy of inflation. So if you make $100 today and decide to spend it immediately, it is worth its value. However if you save your money and chose to wait a year from now to buy the very same thing(s), it will cost your more to buy it because prices have gone up.

With a token or ticket system, if you decide to use them immediately, then the value you bought them for is preserved. However if you wait to use the tokens or tickets, then their value will probably be worth less and thus need more to buy the same thing. For example, if you buy some tokens for arcade games, a single game might require one token to play it once. But if you wait to use the token a year later, walking into the same arcade may require 2 tokens to play the same game once. So do you think that's fair?? Of course its fair because inflation caused the prices of the game playing to go up over time. Waiting to use money will almost always make the value of it be worth less over time due to inflation. Of course you can invest the money to collect interest or dividends to help keep up or change the value, but buying tokens or tickets in advance doesn't allow you to do this. They simply devalue over time.

I checked the new demos today, I added money to buy one I liked. Then I noticed it said get full show for free! but when I click on it... it wants to charge me 2 credits instead of one. Can anyone clue me into why this is happening? Why does it say free but it is not? and why 2 credits instead of 1 when purchased through software. Oh yeah, and what happened to the occasional free card I used to get for being VIP??? IS it time to stop purchasing new and realize this is getting too expensive? Be happy with what I already have...

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@Notdead: Mine isn't quite as high as yours. IQ. I mean :) I'm only in the top 2%! (153) Does that make his dog smarter than me? I would love to meet this dog! :)

Please put that in Latin! I need a refresher course :)

Edit2: I just re-read the OP's post and my politically incorrect answer is: Go forth and multiply, my friend! ;)

@Thunderstrike333
If you already have all "old" Virtuagirl cards you should cancel your "membership" today and ask customer service to get a refund in credits for the time you have left.

Cards from the new collection is not included in the "membership".

There's always one, here is an Idea, if you are not happy why don't you just write to customer services and ask for a refund of your credits, I'm sure they will oblige, Totem are good like that, then you wont have lost anything and the rest of us can get on with enjoying the product and the forum without having to read how much you threw your teddy out the pram or read how insulting you are towards the rest of the users every time we visit the forum ;)

Like I mentioned in my last post, my credits were used for Deskbabes and I paid a membership fee to get my virtuagirls. I'll deal with the no discounts or a slight percentage off because of status after my membership has expired.

You subscribed on 2014-03-29 (1 card(s)/day). Your subscription is active, next rebill is scheduled on 2015-03-27.

This is my membership status on the new software!

@Wyldanimal now I understand how it works now.

Here is Mona one boob out have a good weekend

Your Dog has a 197 IQ???? (mine verified by Mensa)
WOW that's one smart bow wow.

Its only an increase if you are buying from demo.

I ask you is anyone here that bothered by this small price increase???

(If you would prefer I can put this in Latin)

I bought a mars bar yesterday
it was 5p more than the one I bought last week

Prices go up

It was still a Mars bar

I understand what Huzbub is saying. but his Logic is somewhat flawed.
Say For example a member bought 2 sets of 50 credits under the old pricing.
The Credits Cost him $100, which is exactly the same the credits Cost Now..

On the Demo tab, that member could buy cards for 1 credit each..
So his Credits or Money had a Value know to him as 1 credit is 1 Card..
So his view is that his 100 credits will buy 100 cards.

He has these credits in his account already..

And now the cost of the cards has changed, altering the Value he thought his credits were worth.

That's the VIEW he is trying to make..

The Flaw is this:
The Credits Still Cost the Same under the old system as they Do under the New System.

Cards had a Value of 2 Credits ( not 1 ) the price of 1 credit per card was a Discounted price.
Really the 100 credits only had a value of 50 cards.
Since cards had a value of 2 credits.

New Price of the Cards.

The Older 1080p cards are still 2.0 credits, same as had been previously.
The Older 720p cards are now 1.60 credits ( a Price drop ) so the Value of the existing Credits Has Increased for these cards.
Cards of the New collection will be 3.0 credits
and cards in the Classic Collection will be 1.0 credits

What has changed is the amount of Discount.

Further, based on the Members Level status, an additional discount is taken from the Cards Price.

So in affect, the Value of the Existing Credits has Gained buying power, not lost it..

I've just started using the new version of the software. My preference is to only have one girl playing with a random girl coming up each time. This version seems to pick a card and then play more than one clip. I can't see any option to make it pick a new card each time (like it used to in the older software). Anyone have any ideas? Progressive hotness is unchecked all all levels selected.
Thanks.

Huzbub,

You don't loose anything that you have invested in cards and credits. You own them and are still yours to keep. Actually you own the right to use it but that's semantics. In fact you gain new software with new features and you are under no obligation to buy more credits. So where is the lose?

Your analogies are odd but If you consider VG an economy then you are very *****?

The investment is purely entertainment it has no other value. If it no longer entertains you then it has lost it's value but Totem can not be blamed for that as the product fundamentally remains the same .. the only difference is it could more if you wish to continue expanding your collection. If not enjoy the new software compliments of Totem.

Clearly, you fail to realize that the standard pricing has always been 2 credits per card.



That's enough with insinuating that we're all idiots.

Final warning Huzbub.

It is called a monopolized monetary system. Stop defending a poor business move for a lack of understanding. Take a few moments to listen and consider - please.

Given a standardized monetary system you get to vote with your money. Once vested you have pre-invested in a system you are subject to. How is this any different than them saying your current bank account is null and void. Your only option is to purchase new credits?

Stop defending a mistake.

You are wrong. You made a purchase with certain expectations. Those were changed AFTER the fact. New purchase prices are viable but retroactive ones are not a viable business transaction.

I would love for there to be someone else as an advocate for the consumers. I don't care how much you love boobies, I do too but this is simply wrong.

Junger ---- what are you talking about? The price to purchase tokens remains the same and the cost per model has gone up. Am I mistaken? There is not a value gain.

Again - it seems people have lost sight of the fact that it is a pre-purchase credit system on this and not a open market. You may not decide that you are fed up and say, which many of you appear to be brainwashed into thinking otherwise, that you can spend those credits otherwise, go use them in another fashion.

Clearly I am failing to explain some basic economics and that is frustrating for certain.

A new economy is acceptable.

Violating the previously understood ratio is not.


I'm looking to the heavens for just one other person to understand how this is backwards in more than one way.

I'm struggling not to point out the previous posts attempt to use 'big words' incorrectly.

Frankly - there is no point. My effort was not remediation as I suspect that is not viable as we have no power (other than to use our credits, voices and IQ's to illustrate a failure on the attempt to course correct a flawed system).

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase most likely spoken by David Hannum, in criticism of both P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid 1800s, and his customers. The phrase is often credited to Barnum himself. It means "Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue."

The only defense is to be at least as smart as the person who is parting you with your money. Clearly I'm alone in this endeavor.

Raise the price to $100 per NEW customer - fine. Do not rob current customers of their investment.

For the record, were there a plea from the owners of this establishment and a reputable effort to make course corrections to aim for a profitable while reasonable product I would be entirely onboard. Quite factually I would support this as a kick-starter type of program. Alas retroactively changing the value of my investment on a token based system is unfair.

At what point my friends would you indeed be upset? A small, vast or complete devaluation of your invest?

Only valid credits going forward must be pink ones. Those are only available next month. Oh wait -the following month we will only accept purple ones. So all pink ones shall be null and void. Also those tokens are only valid on Tuesdays.

A new rate is subject to a decision per the consumer. A change of the previous understanding is not.

Hitler versus the USA. I'm running out of ways to express the error here. But I do suppose a toddler will not understand something like relativity - regardless of being sucked into a black hole. :)

Another troll ***** about pennies .. poor mods got to speak with him and try to reason him .. OMG:)

Huzbub I have a suggestion for you to make all this situalion settled.

You go to strip club, order a drink then start *****, because simple beer is gonna cost you 10 times more than it cost at store. Then say that all ppl there are stupid and has an IQ of a dog. Then you can even start shouting at a secirity. Lets see what happens:)

What you do here is basically the same thing. Those ***** result to the nervous situation and some new users may read this and think that situation is really like you said. So you basically sabotage all hard work of the Team and fun and positive attitude of most members. Please try to have fun.


P.S. Have i told you to try all this "crap" stuff in a stripclub?

P.S.P.S. I am curious how high is IQ of your dog?

Concerning your claim of......
"Please be aware that posts are censored."

You're way off base. Nothing's been censored and that is a false accusation. Not a good first impression Huzbub.

Seems that your whole complaint is based on a price increase from 1 credit to 1.6 credits. It's flawed.

Standard pricing for all cards has always been 2 credits per card. The carousel pricing of 1 credit was not standard pricing, it was a discounted price. Discontinuing the discounted pricing through the carousel did not raise the standard pricing.

Basically, you're ***** that your price is 1.6 credits instead of the standard 2 credits. That makes sense how ?

Here's the thing......

Standard pricing for all cards has always been 2 credits per card. The carousel pricing of 1 credit was not standard pricing, it was a discounted price. Discontinuing the discounted pricing through the carousel did not raise the standard pricing.

***** about your price now being 1.6 credits, instead of the standard 2 credits, makes no sense whatsoever.

Thanks for the update Rex. I appreciate it.

First and foremost it's totem's company to do what the what and charge what they want. I have no problem with that at all. I own a company myself and I dictate cost.

I have to admit a bit of sticker shock myself as the price increase percentage was substantially more than I expected. But now that the new software is workable and Maria may aka Malena is coming to VG. I guess I'll have to decide how I want to spend my dollars on credits.

But to be fair it is understandable that some users feel that any credits they already had on hand have been devalued. Some time ago I bought 50 credits for $50 with the expectation of buying 50 cards. I bought 26 cards for 26 credits before the new pricing and I have 24 credits left but those 24 credits will no longer buy me 24 cards.

I guess another way to look at would be the credits still cost the same but no longer provide the same purchasing power.

In the end it make no difference as VG promised me 50 credits for $50 not 50 cards for $50 so in the end they delivered. It is now up to me to decide how I want to continue.

Customer service has refunded my subscription with credits.

The money spent on the now useless subscription will be used to buy new cards.

I am happy now!

Looks like your analog is flaw. You still have your 10 tokens and can pay with them... but next time you buy tokens they cost more...

The fact is that the change the company have made to the system makes most of the cards cheaper to buy with credits since you now can buy all cards at a constant discount price. Before you had to wait for the card to come one sale if you wanted to buy it for only 1 credit, otherwise the standard cost was 2 credits. Now you can buy almost all cards whenever you want to at a lower price. The big news is that the subscriptions are gone, there in lies the big change in price per card.

At the same time the Team have created a new standard of content and given this new standard a higher price... but this is a separate product with a separate price, and yes you still pay with credits but just as a cheeseburger at McD is cheaper than a Big Mac the new and higher quality content is more expensive than the older stuff.

About the company loss, that came directly from the company CEO so if you don't believe me ask him. His nick is REX and he's the big boss around here =)

They (VG/DB) know the users email addresses via registration - That would be a better way to share updates than in the basement of an abandoned building in a locked filing cabinet.

Translation it is not a reasonable expectation of existing clients to track forum updates which alter their current investment in tokens. Thus my suggestion on a much better way to implement an intelligent strategic pricing model, and when I say better I mean for the current clients. Clients are what make this work and pulling dollar bills from their wallets (token balance) will not endear them to the service being provided.

Please, more WOC totem - black women, but more WOC period!

Missing the point completely.

So, you walk into the restaurant and they say, welcome to meaty mart, you will need to purchase tokens to pay for your meal. Your meal will cost 10 tokens. You may purchase your ten tokens for $10.00. "oh okay, here's $10.00 for my tokens!".

Five minutes later you go to order and they inform you that they've changed the value of your tokens. You now, and going forward, need to pay $16.00 for your 10 tokens.

OH - so my current tokens wont pay for my MeatyMcMeatMeat platter? Can I get my tokens back? "No sir, you may not."

Now multiply this devaluation across everyone already in the (virtual) restaurant. Would this be a problem so much if you told each new customer the rates and maintained the value once invested. I think not. I think what you are failing to see is that it is NOT just a change in the cost per model but a change to the value of your current balance as implemented. It no longer has the same buying power it did when you invested in the tokens.

To your point without some legitimate reference I respectfully disbelieve the 1/2 million dollar loss. Regardless - On new purchases, again, it is then up to the consumer on the new rates. My solution would have avoided any and all of these problems.

Change the up front cost of the tokens. Discount new tokes as appropriate per membership levels.

Allows a sustainable cost model going forward without changing current values.

@Huzbub
Not sure you are aware but this is a moderated forum on a commercial website. The price increase comes after the company lost half a million dollar last year. The cost of the content hasn't changed in the last eight years. If the company need to raise the price marginally to stay in business I for one is willing and able to pay that little extra to keep this enterprise going.

Looking back the quality of the content has evolved considerably in the last eight years and as I understand so has the cost to produce the content. Paying 2 or even 3 dollar for a 30 min erotic show that I can watch over and over again isn't that much... and definitely not robbery!

Where were these changes announced?

http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=6&ftId=27887

And in many posts after this the subject has been explained by the Team on several occasion.

Announced where? If I told you your current money was worth $.60 less per $1.00 you SHOULD rightfully criticize that as *****.

Adjusting the cost for new products is acceptable per my censored post. And this was announced where exactly?

Because so many sheeple are ignorant they may simply not be drawing the conclusion that they are effectively losing money on current balances. Otherwise I'm not sure how they are okay with this.

Not sure what in there was in ***** of blahblah other than perhaps calling BS! Which is a laughable exclusion for a, as you put it, porn based product.

Oh, I see. Well, your attemp was noticed, you were told to not use derogatory affirmations toward the membership. That is not censorship, those are the rules you will follow to express yourself here.

And your views about "robbery" are not necessarily shared by the whole membership. When it comes to money, everybody is rather aware of the what they pay and free to decide if they want to spend it and on what. You dislike the raise, understandable, is your money. Is this a robbery? No, you're free to not pay for the product. This is a luxory item, is porn. It cost what it cost and the raises were announced long ago.

Attempted to document the devaluation of existing credits with the partial credit system and overall credit price jump; 1.6 from 1 & 2

Included a more appropriate measure than to effectively rob current patrons and their outstanding balance of credits.

What post is censored? And what awareness is that?

Please be aware that posts are censored.

Apparently raising awareness to their user community is not something they want. Unless it is the sunshine they want to blow up your pipes.

"It's too bad nobody here has an IQ greater than my dog."

First, make your point without *****.

Second. There is indeed an increase in the prices, but since the increase is different according to your level, not everybody pays 1.60. Triple diamond pays 1.10 per card and there's a discount for purchasing the new cards within 7 days from their release.

Decimals then are just another way to reflect the increase that is a lot more practical than making the buy page a mess to understand with different prices for everybody.

Also, there was a big period of time between the past carousel discount system and this. So members had the chance to use their existing credits before the rise on the prices. Credits didn't devaluate, prices went up, the value of the cards is what it is now.

I've written to support but want to get community awareness.

With the recent increase in cost to no less than 1.6 credits you have all lost 60% of the value of any credits you had in your bank at the time of this so-called upgrade. Meaning you need to spend 60% more per model. Sorry but to me this is flat out wrong.

Retrocredit existing balances *1.6 to keep all things even value wise from before and after. If people then decide to move forward with the new system it's at the new rate and that's their choice. Should not penalize current customers.

Instead of this messed up fractional credit system, adjust the purchase price of credits. It's too bad nobody here has an IQ greater than my dog. Discount the credit purchases then for your elevated customers. See how that works? Same net effect without leaving people with screwy partial credits that can't be used. Common measure to rob people of their value invest. Uncool.

Any crap about costing more to buy new tech or higher resolution feels like bullshit to me - I'm still seeing mostly 720, occasional 1080 and RARE 3k.

The messed up new client has some up sides but we just all paid for it in a huge way - I'm not a fan.

Dual monitor support appears to be hosed (I think I've seen this posted elsewhere).

The little trick with "Get it Now!" triggering a "the new price is 2 credits Y/N" probably got a few people like it did me.

Speak with your wallets, forums and support - bottom line they've reduced the value of your bank balance and that is completely *****.

Do the math over however many customers they have and it is outrageous.

Also a side note ---- these exponential requirements for additional discounts is insane. 1500 credits to get 45% off?! No bump at 500 credits?

I for one want my lost balance fixed and as is have no intent to continue patronage.

There are a couple of posts re multiple monitors in the Bugs & Fixes thread for 1.2.0.46 requesting improvements

Just for fun try this out -

Don't have any windows open, just a bare backdrop
Set the working space as large as possible
Set off as many girls as you can at 35% size. I can get the max of 10
Move half of them to the second monitor spread out, so for me 5 and 5
Leave this to run for half an hour and then see how many girls are onscreen and on which screen

Really like the new version but multiple monitors really needs looking at for a future update.

There have been lots of threads on the forums about the new version of the software, changes in pricing, removal of VIP cards, etc. Change is inevitable and seldom immediately welcome, but the new pricing does make sense, both commercially for Totem and to the users in giving good value.

If you track back through the forums I think you'll see there has been some indignation about the changes but that in general the user base has altered from being suspicious or even *****, to one of acceptance and enjoyment of the new player software. Maybe yours, too, will change from 'bullshit' in time :-)