Wait 775? You should be getting the same price as me.

That being said the large price is due to preording all the cards for the month of July, and getting the exclusive card. It's sort of an incentive to have you commit to a whole month of cards in one price.

To all the people saying you need a million credits to get the all the "special event" cards here is my tally.

I started with the Olivia Sin - New Years Eve card as my first special event card back on December 24, 2018.

In the past 6 months I have done the following and acquired all 5 previous cards.

• 500 Credit Reloads x 5(included some with bonus credits)
• 1000 Credit Reloads x 1(included bonus credits)

I don't really care for Ginebra but I got her and the rest through playing the games. Your going to have to spend some money and get cards your probably don't like but previously unavailable cards that some of us members didn't even know existed can now be acquired and deserved to have hoops jumped through if you want them.

That does mean having more scratch card games where, in theory, you could spend a million credits or more, and still not obtain an exclusive card.

Yes in theory but not likely. Again the logic and hence the probability is unknown but the results are obvious; if you play the games long enough you will eventually win the card. In your case there is very little else left to sell you so I would expect you would win it fairly quickly and probably cost you less than the calendar you just bought.

And while I doubt Totem is paying much attention to any specific case, I bet they are confident those willing to buy the calendar and cards at any cost will continue buying credits no matter what they might be saying out loud. I thought I was getting out and I haven't bought credits in 2019 but unless my experience degrades I'm sure I'll buy credits again; I just spend less of them now .

From what I can tell the majority of members are against exclusive cards and games but until today they did seem more tolerant of the calendar. I'm pretty confident the majority buying the calendar did so begrudgingly but they are still buying it. Totem is going to keep doing these things until enough members choose not to continue supporting them and I'm starting to doubt that will ever be the case. sadly, it is what it is.

is it actually 775 credits? really?

I do totally agree with Oberamtsrat13, but know by now it's purely saliva waste giving one's point of view on the subject.

Ah Pity, I see you ended the 20% extra credits offer. If it was still on, 500 tokens would have been enough for July and the last 5 cards you just released. Now i'd need to buy TWO batches of tokens. Guess I'll just have to miss out on ANOTHER special event card. Sad.

@HansSachs - I admit that it has been controversial, at least among the relatively small proportion of Totem users that participate in the forum (though I don't regard it as being as controversial as you seem to think). And, as I have said several times I personally do not like the basic idea - but it seems to work for Totem and as long as they do not over do it (6 times a year would indeed be too many time in my opinion) then I see no reason why they should want to stop.

Sorry word "NOT" is missing.

I want a defined pathway to obtain every exclusive card.

That does mean having more scratch card games where, in theory, you could spend a million credits or more, and still not obtain an exclusive card.

...so you want more scratch cards?

The poll shows that more than 80% do not think cards should never be unobtainable by normal means, almost 50 percent are willing to give totem the go ahead and say they can do these promotions but eventually the card should be released as normal for purchase. 35% think they should be done away with all together. While 180 isnt alot it least shows those who are active in the forms what they think.

I have bought this offer to obtain the exclusive card.

However as has been mentioned previously there was no defined pathway to obtain the exclusive Ginebra Bellucci card.
I am still without that card and have not purchased a single credit since it was released but am merely running my credit balance down to Nil.
If Totem wish to keep me as a customer they need to find a sensible way for me to obtain that card as well as any future exclusive cards.

That does mean having more scratch card games where, in theory, you could spend a million credits or more, and still not obtain an exclusive card.

Do you seriously think that they say "This lost us money when we tried it before, let's do it again".

No but yes.
I mean that such offers can be very remunerative at starting, but eventually they do create more and more disaffection and bothering to the many people who are not so entuxiast or even extremely upset by the offer, but decide, for various reasons, to buy it anyway. And after more time, and more and more exclusive cards, we can not be sure of what will happen.
Not so few of this bothered people, when 4th or 5th exclusive card appeared clearly said they were going to stop buying anything from Totem.
I hope they eventually didn't, and I hope people not to go away from this program, but I also hope not to have to see 6 exclusive cards per year or so.
Personally, I am not ashamed to say I totally detest this form of "exclusive" business, and would like it to disappear as soon as possible and forever from Istripper; but everyone should admit that it has been, and is, controversial at best.

Will pass.
Special event, exclusive cards, would had a significance if:
a) they were special (once a year or twice a year) and
b) if they were exclusive.

a) By releasing a special event card every two months... Totem managed to "*****" the "special" significance.
b) By offering them through gambling games (which suck by the way)... Totem managed to "*****" their exclusivity.

As it is now this "special events" seem more and more like "blackmail events" = "if you don't preorder at full price a package of cards, you will never get the card... unless you gamble in the future..."

For me the only special feature of those cards is the inability to easily identify/view them in our collections.

Alina N

Try synching with the server.

I just did and todays 3 cards are there now.

I did it many times, and can confirm that today's cards were released 4-5 hours later than usual.

Here is Maria Marino

Of course I haven't seen the sales figures, but Totem have said in the past that they are measured in the tens of thousands. At best the number of people ***** in these forums is a measured in double figures, not even hundreds let alone thousands. But Totem do have the sales figures and can see what effect the special offers have on them - and I am pretty sure that they use them to guide their actions. Do you seriously think that they say "This lost us money when we tried it before, let's do it again".

@TheEmu You have Totem's sales figures? No. So your one, even if reasonable - having the offer been proposed again - is, and remains, a mere speculation.

I've been away from this forum for nearly 3 months.
I've always defended Totem's actions re: promotions, special events, etc.

Still, I'm seeing the same complaints over and over and although I may not agree with some or all of those complaints, Rex, something has to change. There's too much negative going on here.

As a fairly long standing, loyal member that used to enjoy coming here to share my stuff and shoot the breeze with my buddies, it's even more tedious to read the last posts...

I personally don't really care that much if I miss a card or 2. There will always be more. Fill in the rest yourselves...

😎

I'm still a dude and always will be. WA knows what I mean... 😇

@HansSachs - That is still a tiny fraction of Totem's active customers. Sales figures speak much louder than a relatively small group of no matter how much they protest.

why should Totem take more notice of the few members that ***** about the special offers

Few? Seriously? When Ginebra Bellucci's exclusive card was released, as everyone can check, we got a TGIF thread of more of ten (ten!) pages almost totally consisting of angry comments about the offer. Only two weeks later another special event card, Josephine Jacksons' one (which was the last exclusive card until today) was released, and we could see lots of disappointment also, even if not as much as we saw with Ginebra's one (which was attainable only per scratch cards).

For those who bought this deal, pls. do us a very little favour: rate the card
you stay anonim with that, but it would be very helpful to see how many members bought this package
since everyone is just *****.
It would be very helpful to see how many members still support the exclusive cards releases, while most of the members seem to be against that.

I agree with that; but the problem is that also many people who ***** the exclusive cards promos, endly buy the offer anyway, because they really want that particular card and they know there will not be any other way of getting it anymore within precise and known limits of a reasonable price, but only by gambling, having potentially to waste thousand of credits in order to get it. I did like so with Josephine's card (a favorite of me) and I am not sure I eventually won't do that with Red Fox's one too... my weakness.

3 and a half month later, 180 votes, myself was right absolutely
Poll shows nothing at all, not enough people cared to vote or could not properly pick which option to vote for.
Option a) and b) with the 12+4 % took away 16% of the votes, which would have shown a significant difference between c) and d) if there would have been no a) and b) choices.
The winner 50 % says nothing: if only half on the people agree, it means, that the other half disagreed somewhat.
The customers still ***** about this type of cards.
Poll was a good initiative, but did not helped to say what most of the customers want.

@bjlover agreed with

I'd pay 200 credits to get only the event card if possible :/ but no way I'm adding cards to my collection that I dont want.

(though I can't find the original post he is agreeing with)

The normal price for a triple diamond member, such as @bjlover, is 13.5 credits per card, so the 31 cards for July would normally cost him 418.5 credits. If as the original poster said he would willingly pay 200 credits just for the Black Fox Card then, in effect, the cost for the 31 cards for the month drops to 218.5 credits - i.e. using his own estimate of the (minimal) worth of the special event card there would be an almost 50% extra discount for the month - or you could think of it as paying up full normal discounted price for 16 cards and getting the other 15 for free.

Now not everyone would agree that the black Fox card is worth 200 credits (I certainly don't) but if the original poster really would willingly pay that much for it then he should regard the offer as a bargin.

Здравствуйте! Проблема не решена, скоро 2 недели.

Wolf needs no fox :)
For those who bought this deal, pls. do us a very little favour: rate the card
you stay anonim with that, but it would be very helpful to see how many members bought this package
since everyone is just *****.
It would be very helpful to see how many members still support the exclusive cards releases, while most of the members seem to be against that.

TBH man most people who prolly just buy it more than likely arent involved much in these forum posts so the chances of them seeing this post is prolly slim. Even still we don't know how many will exactly support this one. Like I said last time they gave a nice discount to the whole package. Now it seems like there is more resistance.

Pre-order is an option, but only if I can chose the cards!

@CwHart - why should Totem take more notice of the few members that ***** about the special offers than they do about what seems to be the larger number of customers that take them up.

I am not saying they should ya jackass I am saying that would be an incentive. They did it before and I remember a hell of a lot less ***** so IDK where you get these assumptions of few members and larger numbers.

Stop those event cards! It is needless to say! I don't like this policy. I want to buy cards that I like and I only want those that I like being a part in my collection!

Yes it is @boan000

Wolf needs no fox :)
For those who bought this deal, pls. do us a very little favour: rate the card
you stay anonim with that, but it would be very helpful to see how many members bought this package
since everyone is just *****.
It would be very helpful to see how many members still support the exclusive cards releases, while most of the members seem to be against that.

Another 'Special Event' Card! YaaY !
Let me see, whats happening in July that's special? mmm... US independence day?month?? Maybe I should buy plane tickets and go to the US to celebrate the 'Special Event' Card!?

So the principle is simple. To unlock the card you got to be a millionaire to spend real money buying stuff you dont really want or another way is to just win the Lottery. That's Real Life in a game folks . Istripper getting Real on you.

Just another card held ***** for no reason, no reason but Totem Business ofcourse.
So I'm upset and I rant! Forgive me, but thats Just my business..

@CwHart - why should Totem take more notice of the few members that ***** about the special offers than they do about what seems to be the larger number of customers that take them up.

@Totem this Friday's offer isn't exclusive enough: there are 31 cards that people can still purchase individually, that's a real issue!
Why not making all future cards exclusive? 😆😆😆

There were thirteen cards I did not want in the month of June and the lineup of girls for July is very similar, so as much as I love The Red Fox, that is far too many unwanted cards to buy to get one I do want.

I guess I will just have to do without "The Black Fox". I am begining to agree with all those who ***** the special event cards.

Wyldanimal, you are right paying 200 for one card when you could pay almost double and get that one card plus a handful of others you may have gotten anyways in exchange for some you wouldnt wont is insane logic.

Now onto the whole discount thing, it shows more incentive to buy in bulk like that. A single card isn't going to be enough for most even if it's the only way to obtain it. You are asking them to drop atleast 400 credits and hope more are hits for them than misses and that is honestly asking for alot. I say a flat 20% discount on top of the member status discount like what they did for the Josephine special event would be ideal.

wasting your time throwing turds at me.

Ahhhh the good old days. lol j/k 😂😂😂😂

Wow look how quickly everybody's bonus credits vanished from the "crazy week" deals lol

But in all seriousness this new SEC gives me a headache. If monthly pre-orders, Black Friday, and Advent Calendar (which is another monthly pre-order) is the only way to get new SECs and the scratch game is the only way to get past SECs than i've got a total of four in that pile and only really want one.

The odds of me getting that one card is.....

There are not many cards that I am looking to get in the month of July. I rather pay a premium to get this special card alone than to pay for a pre-order and get many cards I do not want on top of it. 😖

Totem, have a special weekend where users can purchase missed special event cards for two hundred credits or more per piece, I am pretty sure that some of us will jump on that opportunity to buy them, me included! 😀💰

I used part of a member post, not to single that member out but to show the logic...
I'm *****

you would willingly pay 200 or more credits just to BUY the special event card...

But you won't spend the same number of credits to get every card of the month, Plus the special event card.

Something in ***** about that.

Product A costs 427 credits
Product A plus 31 other similar products, cost the same 427 credits..

Which would you buy?
1 product for 427
or
Buy 1 for 427 and get 31 for free ?

I think I'd go for the Buy 1 and get 31 free deal...


Just another way to look at it.

few more minutes on them would be awesome

As there is no special discount, I see no point in preordering.

I saw many post similar to the same thought as above

Every level above Bronze, gets a discount off every card...
Plus there was just a credit reload Bonus of 20%

If you re-loaded, then you got an extra 20%

I'm just ***** by all the
"where's my Discount " posts...

A big thank you Guys from iStripper to put "The Red Fox" behind the "i have to preoder a complete month" payment!
If you guys would stick the Girls in great outfits (compare to boring ones) maybe the over all selling from the weekly cards would be better and you don´t have to let the people pre-pay for a hole month and get cards with it wich they wouldn´t pay for.

If the offer would be like pre-order the next 5 July cards and get the special card i had taken the offer cause Red Fox is one of my favourite but 500 credits and gambling that the July card are great over all... no thanks.

I´m lucky Li Moons card is not the "special card" !

I do not have a problem with the promotion.

...if people give totem lots of money that isn't totem's fault.

I agree with @orclover on these two points. Totem is free to offer whatever promotions they like. Yes, as customers, we are free to *****, but there's absolutely no feedback that's as loud as simply not participating in offers that we don't like.

Totem is not stupid or evil, but like most businesses they experiment with "elasticity of demand". That's the economic principle to describe how the price of a highly desired item can be increased without losing a significant number of buyers and/or profit. However, at some point, an increase does cause a significant loss, so businesses roll back to the previous price and consider that an appropriate price based on current demand. In this case, Totem is testing to see whether customers will pre-pay for a month of cards with no discount and only the special event card as an incentive. It sounds like a lot of us posting in this thread won't, but if enough people do buy it, then there's no reason that Totem shouldn't continue to offer promotions like this. I might not like missing out on The Black Fox card, but that's the way the free market works.

(It's really too bad that stoicism isn't a sport because I would seriously kick ass ... 😐)

Will have to give this one a skip, shame because i like the red fox.

Same. There are not many cards that I am looking to get in the month of July. I rather pay a premium to get this special card alone than to pay for a pre-order and get many cards I do not want on top of it. 😖

I have way too many cards that I do not like in my 'Not downloaded' list. There are even some cards that I rather throw away for good, because I got them from all the scratchcard and slot machine games that I have played in the past. 😕

I really like the Red Fox though. I have all of her other cards. It is such a shame indeed. 😟

Totem, have a special weekend where users can purchase missed special event cards for two hundred credits or more per piece, I am pretty sure that some of us will jump on that opportunity to buy them, me included! 😀💰

12 years and tons of money later, I refuse to pay 465 credits to buy a bunch of garbage shows to get the one I actually want. You can take your predatory tactics and shove them.

Signing out. Forever.

no preview ?
no discount ?

no buy

One has to pay full price for 31 cards that dont even know if one would ever enjoy
This is another type of gambling. And this gambling will cost you 775 credits

Thumbs down!

hblanco88 said it all, I'm afraid.

Im April hat der Monat 330 Credits gekostet. Man sollte nicht nur Dollarscheine in den Augen haben, wenn man Geschäfte machen möchte. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass da viele zugreifen.
Das ist kein Angebot für einen "blinden" Kauf von Karten.

I have all the previous "Special Event Cards", but I believe I'll pass this time. At least I have a week to mull it over. Shame, really, as Red Fox is one of my very favourites.

After all the previous bundle buys and various promos, nowadays I always buy cards based solely on performer: it the performer is to my liking, I'll buy her card. I don't very much care about the outfit, or theme of the card, whether she wears heels or stockings or whatever or not. None of that matters to me, really. If I like the performer, I will buy the card.

SO, I visited Lukaszr's website and took a look at all the cards listed there, that are not released yet. That's 108 cards at the moment. I know that I will buy about 60% of them and the rest are "certainly not" or "unlikely". If that spread of 108 cards is even for July's releases, and I calculate the value of those 60% to my full Triple-Diamond price, "certainly nots" as zero, and "unlikelies" as 25% value, the price for the Red Fox special event card would amount to 140-150 credits to me...

That's about 15 euros extra spent, which is not really that much, but it's still quite a lot for one card - I have to consider, if having 19 Red Fox cards instead of 20 is really worth 150 credits to rectify... at the moment I think it isn't.

Yeah, it's a crappy offer. I made the mistake of buying it cause I will probably buy the full month of cards anyway. Not all, I don't think I'd buy Li Moon's cards so I guess that if any of her show up they will remain grey too.

Never did a blind gamble game again.

Will have to give this one a skip, shame because i like the red fox.

I do not have a problem with the promotion. If people do not participate the card will eventually be for sale and if people give totem lots of money that isn't totem's fault. I do wish that one could choose their special event card for pre-sale offers. I only have one red fox card and I was considering the presale except I won't get the special event cards I want.