cashback is our favorite promotion ... another big favorite, the $100 package with 20% bonus credits

That particular combination may well have turned out to be too generous.

Just too greedy I think. My guess is whoever at Totem suggested running the two together previously got a proper telling off from the boss. We have a good promo and should make good use of it.

@TheEmu

True - but when you spend credits you bring forward the time when you have to buy more. Averaged over many customers if a special offer increases the rate at which credits are spent it will also increase the rate at which those customers spend real money on buying credits.

Si señor, that's exactly the "evil" master plan of these promotions. To ***** your credits and to buy more credits, the sooner the better


@Gorfa91

However the less cards you can redeem the more often you will have to reload.

In my case, at the beginning i was very picky with my purchases. I remember that my first purchase 500 credits, lasted quite a while before my second reload. 25 credits per card was too expensive for me. Then when i hit double diamond level it is when i started to reload more often.

Loooong time ago there were thematic packs of ten cards you could buy with some discount. They were picked randomly without being able to switch but in a given thematic. That was really a good compromise and I built large part of my collection with it. Never really understood why they stopped.

I also built a large part of my initial collection that way. I suspect that they were too popular and had too much of an impact on full price sales - it is certain that they significantly reduced the amount Totem got from me.

Technically speaking it is true. However the less cards you can redeem the more often you will have to reload. Some may allow a fixed credit per month but some will reload more.

Also I agree about the fact that people tend to prefer the promotion where they are able to choose cards. Loooong time ago there were thematic packs of ten cards you could buy with some discount. They were picked randomly without being able to switch but in a given thematic. That was really a good compromise and I built large part of my collection with it. Never really understood why they stopped.

Maybe @Wyldanimal or @Cartref can refresh my memory.

For Cashback, It may be true if this promotion is repeated too many times it might lose that appeal.

The effect that i am referring to is the exact opposite - it would retain it appeal at the expense of full price sales.

Except that totem is NOT making profit by selling cards. Their profit already ocurred long before, it happened when you reloaded credits. And when you "buy" a card what you are really doing is redeeming it with your credits, 25, 13.75, 11, 0, it doesn’t matter. There is no price reduction but rather a credit reduction because there is no real money involved in the transaction of getting a card.

True - but when you spend credits you bring forward the time when you have to buy more. Averaged over many customers if a special offer increases the rate at which credits are spent it will also increase the rate at which those customers spend real money on buying credits. The effect on income is not as direct as if we spent cash on each purchase, but just as real.

@TheEmu

You should also remember that when a compamy, any company, makes a "special offer" the purpose of the offer will, with vanishingly few exceptions, be to benefit the company not its customers.

In the context of Totem, i agree with you. The gambling games and scracthcards are examples that support your statement.

If an offer is too generous, or lasts too long, or is repeated too often then it can easily be detrimental to the company

In the context of Totem, i only partially agree with you. For Cashback, It may be true if this promotion is repeated too many times it might lose that appeal. However, there are promotions that have been repeated far more times during this year and didn’t seem to be detrimental to Totem: Progressive Packs (38% overall discount), Wheel of fortune (37-40% discounts according to my purchases), Free Packs (45%), and the most repeated promotion Slot machine had me collectively saved 45% on cards. These promotions offer far more savings that cashback (20%), but cashback wins over because of the ability to choose the cards.

if it wadn't then it ias arguable that a simple permanent price reduction without the special offer would increase profits. (Some companies have disguised what are really lower than nominal prices as as permanent "special offers" in an attempt to have it both ways).

Except that totem is NOT making profit by selling cards. Their profit already ocurred long before, it happened when you reloaded credits. And when you "buy" a card what you are really doing is redeeming it with your credits, 25, 13.75, 11, 0, it doesn’t matter. There is no price reduction but rather a credit reduction because there is no real money involved in the transaction of getting a card.

@hblanco88

I was speaking about the individual offers, as both are going to be relatively rare (for the reason I gave in my previous post) the combination is going to be even rarer. That particular combination may well have turned out to be too generous.

You should also remember that when a compamy, any company, makes a "special offer" the purpose of the offer will, with vanishingly few exceptions, be to benefit the company not its customers. Though of course the benefit to customers will be emphasised that is not its prime purpose but is part of the mechanism by which it benefits the company (almost a side effect). If an offer is too generous, or lasts too long, or is repeated too often then it can easily be detrimental to the company - if it wadn't then it ias arguable that a simple permanent price reduction without the special offer would increase profits. (Some companies have disguised what are really lower than nominal prices as as permanent "special offers" in an attempt to have it both ways).

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@TheEmu
If my memory is correct, i think this only happened once that we had Cashback-4 and the 20% reload bonus (no $100 package tho) at the same time. It was back in September 2019.

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Since you finally admitted cashback is our favorite promotion.
But there is also another big favorite, the $100 package with 20% bonus credits. Why don't you wake this up also? The top 2 favorites at the same time. wooo hooo
blink* *blink*

Almost certainly because if these particular promotions are repeated often enough to be relied on then they can be expected to reduce Totem's income rather than act as a spur to sales - in effect becoming almost equivalent to a permanent reduction in price.

Totem

Since you finally admitted cashback is our favorite promotion.
But there is also another big favorite, the $100 package with 20% bonus credits. Why don't you wake this up also? The top 2 favorites at the same time. wooo hooo

• blink* *blink*

Short of handing out Bans to the ***** members.
I'm going to close this Thread.

The small group of members have voiced their distaste over and over and over to ad nauseam.
How many times do you need to repeatedly say the ***** narrative?

The Team has responded, more than a few times..
Yet the ***** continues on, and on, and on...

as posted by @kaiju back on September 30, 2020

"I ask you to show your disagreement with respect. We have always listened to our community but we won't be accepting any kind of *****."

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45833/3?post=683032

https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45833/3?post=683148

@Stanston

Could you please explain, as "second spokesperson for Totem", why if Totem is so responsive to their customers, that we never got a response on the forum to my post above from @kaiju?

It would have been helpful for all of us who share my opinion. Do you honestly believe that I am the only one, ***** about SEC and the games on the forum, and that I would be the last?

Do you think that if the problem had been solved, I would still be talking about it?

Besides, for me this subject is now closed, given my decision to stop investing in Totem and all the reasons mentioned above.

This being said, you don't need to answer me, because you don't know it and to tell the truth I don't want to, because your completely useless interventions and your lack of understanding only put oil on the fire, on threads of discussions, whose subject seems to be of absolutely no interest to you.

I don't intend to answer your future interventions anymore, not more than I did at the moment, because it is becoming an overbidding that leads to nothing. But you ***** me to do so, since your message is incomplete.

It is easy to take just the portion of the messages, which is our business.

By the way I don't care about your "sarcastic" farewell.

Save your "good riddance" for yourself, dear "Sir".

Final point.


https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/45833/3?post=683152

@Stanston

Pourriez-vous nous expliquer, en tant que "second porte-parole de Totem", pourquoi si Totem est tant à l'écoute de leurs clients, que nous n'avons jamais eu de réponse sur le forum à mon message plus haut de la part de @kaiju ?

Cela aurait été aidant pour tous ceux et celles qui partagent mon opinion. Croyez-vous sincèrement que je suis le seul, à me plaindre des SEC et les jeux sur le forum, et que je serais le dernier ?

Croyez-vous que si le problème avait été réglé, j'en parlerai encore ?

D'ailleurs pour moi ce sujet est maintenant clos, vu ma décision de cesser d'investir dans Totem et toutes les raisons citées précédemment.

Ceci étant dit, vous n'avez pas besoin de me répondre, car vous ne le savez pas et à vrai dire je n'y tiens pas, car vos interventions complètements inutiles et votre incompréhension ne font que mettre de l'huile sur le feu, sur des fils de discussions, dont le sujet semble-t-il, ne vous intéresse absolument pas.

Je n'ai d'ailleurs plus l'intention de répondre à vos futures interventions, pas plus que je n'y tenais actuellement, car cela devient de la surenchère qui ne mène à rien. Mais vous m'y obligez, étant donné que votre message est incomplet.

C'est facile de prendre juste la portion des messages, qui fait notre affaire.

En passant Je n'ai que faire de vos adieux "sarcastiques".

Gardez votre "bon débarras" pour vous-même, cher "Monsieur".

Point final.

I feel for Sharon White in all this. Seems she has done a well rated show here, but only 23 votes/8 comments. The other 3 cards many more, Tatiana Coco 126 votes/45 comments, the two XXX Veroncia Leal 87/29 and Medusa 84/27 so all that work for so few views, but I guess in time she will catch up.

May be this thread should have been called simply "SEC - How much will it cost you?" since that was the original question and nothing at all to do with the model.

I will now find it very easy to ignore the Seriously Expensive Cards, since they are no more special than any other. I have gained a few over the last few months, the last was Angelika Grays, and that really did confirm it.

So I am justing enjoying buying many old (many would consider too old) cards from many years back and taking a few CC+ for the 5th card. Might by end of the promo have all the cards I need and not touched a game. Then I would consider my collection complete even with nearly 1000 not purchased. Only then need to pick the new ones that I like.

Rex and Celine are both key members of Totem and their roles extend well beyond customer service.

The fact they look after new members only confirms my point. That’s their business model. Get them in, take their money. Rinse and repeat.

There’s nothing wrong with that of course. It’s business after all.

I guess it’s just usually customary to appreciate other people when they give you their money.

If you knew what you were talking about you would know every service software caters to three groups. New customers, selectors, and collectors. It doesn't matter if we are talking about an MMO, single player game with a cash store, or a porn software that requires daily investment. Totem's goal is to get as many people as possible into the selector category. The gambling games allow new users to get discounts on card that they may want, which eventually gets them into the "investment fallacy", meaning once they hit 500, 1000, or 1500 cards they can't imagine wasting all that by leaving. The selectors are constantly making value decisions but will likely never leave the product and will buy regularly, including in the gambling games because they may be enticed to get a big win. The collectors are a small group that would normally be happy buying every card at an extreme discount...totem wants this group to become selectors again so the gambling games have merit...they therefore introduce the special event cards. This is really smart business and is the reason the company is still solvent despite a pretty hard collapse in available erotica talent over the last 10 years. Keep in mind that most services have exploded in cost since 2010...video games and porn have stayed constant at a base price but must get creative to combat rising production costs.

@ComteDracula

There are also plenty of other sites where you can see very pretty young women,
many of which are on iStripper.

Then maybe you should just go to these Sites, and the rest of us can have our Peace
which @kaiju was Dreaming about since September the 30th 2020.
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45833/2#post683032

We have always listened to our community

Yes that is true @kaiju and there is no point of Disagreement at least not from my side.

but we won't be accepting any kind of *****.

There is nothing more to add here.

In that case @ComteDracula have a nice Time so far on your new Journey,
wherever it will take you and my best wishes to you ✌

@goodwolf

It's not about winning or losing.

It's about saying, if I feel respected as a customer by the company, feeling that there's a concern for customer satisfaction, I'll stay and continue to put my money there.

If not, I'll put my money elsewhere.

That's the power of any consumer towards a company.

There is something about the direction that Totem has taken with their games and the way they are using the SEC to make easy money that revolts me. Also the fact that they don't take into account the people in my category who don't want to play or no longer want to play to get the SEC. Gambling is a source of stress for me, which makes me feel no pleasure and more frustration than anything else. If I want to be honest with my beliefs and how I feel, I can't tolerate that, and I'd rather not buy anymore. It's as simple as that. That's why I'm finishing spending my credits and it's going to be over. I will have over 5000 cards.

There are also plenty of other sites where you can see very pretty young women, many of which are on iStripper.


@goodwolf

Ce n'est pas une question de gagner ou de perdre.

C'est de dire, si je me sens respecté en tant que clients par la compagnie, en sentant qu'il y a une préoccupation de la satisfaction client, je reste et je continue à y investir mon argent.

Si ce n'est pas le cas, je vais mettre mon argent ailleurs.

C'est le pouvoir de tout consommateur envers une compagnie.

Il y a quelque chose en moi qui me révulse dans la direction qu'a pris Totem avec leurs jeux et la façon de se servir des SEC pour faire de l'argent facile. Aussi du fait qu'ils ne tiennent pas compte des gens dans ma catégorie, qui ne veulent pas ou plus jouer pour obtenir les SEC. Les jeux de hasard sont une source de stress pour moi, qui fait que je n'éprouve aucun plaisir et qui me procure plus de frustration qu'autre chose. Si je veux être honnête avec mes convictions et avec ce que je ressens, je ne peux tolérer cela, et je préfère ne plus acheter. C'est aussi simple que cela. C'est pourquoi je termine la dépenses de mes crédits et ça va être terminé. Je vais avoir au-dessus de 5000 cartes.

Il y a en plus plein d'autres sites où l'on peut voir de très jolies jeunes femmes, dont plusieurs sont sur iStripper.

You leave = company wins (you already paid and will not use it any longer, which you bought for "lifetime")
you stay and buy it all = company wins
you stay and stop buying = you loose, you will see what's coming, but won't buy it at all. This will be hard for you, even harder for "collectors" At some point you will leave (go to point A)
you stay and stop "buying" (all) games to get (all) SEC = you win, at more levels (also morally and moneywise) and it also will help on your "addiction" to give up the 100% serious "collector" level. This is not boycott, this is a step for a healthier life. The daily stress also not helping, that you are seriously worry what if you won't get all those cards and will loose the possibility for full collection. After all you registered here to see Ladies not for gambling, right ? Plus it doesn't mean, that you can't get some of them, case by case, the ones you really want. I doubt, that you really like/want all of them that much. You just formed a habit for yourself to buy them all.
= you can win only if you don't buy everything.
The rest soon will need terapy or anomim IS / gambling ***** meetings...
you are pushing your own buttons how far you can go until you might not even be able to realize, that there is no way back... For me these comments are more likely screams of people saying please don't make me an *****, pls. stop this. I got news for you people - only you can stop it. Even if you are well with money and can afford it all... maybe (just maybe) you can/will be a happier customer if you have only the 95-98% of these cards ?

@Anonk

J’ai aussi remarqué que la barre de progression ne bouge pas avec l’offre de cashback

confirmé, normal, ce n'est pas un bug
confirmed, normal, this is not a bug

@hblanco88
Seules les cartes achetées comptent pour l'offre cash back 😐
Only purchased cards count for the cash back offer 😐

What are the odds (according to your experience) of winning something in Twenty Five game? I played a few times in the past with all losses, so for me this game is the worst of all in terms of winning.

Also, if you do win a card, does this count toward the cashback, OR only would be counted if it was "purchased" and not "won" ? Same question with the Joker or Giftcard.

Mentioning the gift card bar, I bought 5 cards last night, did get cashback on the 5th but the progress bar hasn't moved. I shut down the program & restarted it but still nothing in the progress bar.
Does it only work with the 25 game?
Thanks.

I also noticed that the progress bar does not move with the cashback offer. Is it officially confirmed if it is a bug or not?

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make it fast

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6. Lips Of An Angel by Hinder

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Sorry I am not in a position to judge you but simply saying that only a massive boycott would have enough impact on the income for the company to redraw its strategy. I don't know how massive it should be, 10, 100, 1000 probably more.

I'm not calling for - or expecting - any kind of boycott. I'm simply making the best decision for my money.

My only suggestion is that others consider doing the same. I certainly don't expect Totem to care or even pay me one moment of attention. We're way past that.

Sorry I am not in a position to judge you but simply saying that only a massive boycott would have enough impact on the income for the company to redraw its strategy. I don't know how massive it should be, 10, 100, 1000 probably more.

It has been months (years?) now that I read about boycott but so far we all have complete collections (including the latest SEC from Sharon, I guess from Day 1). 😉

Oui je confirme collectionneur complétiste/compulsif est une forme de dépendance.

Have an excellent week.

It won't take years for me to leave. In fact, I've already stopped spending my money with iStripper. I'm now left with a handful of credits (not quite enough for one card, I think?) and almost 30 gift cards. I will use the gift cards in the next 30 days, then I'm done.

The only time I will open iStripper is to admire my collection, and I will ignore anything else that the site publishes.

I'm done.

@Firescale

I just like the product

I think this is the most important Statement, iStripper is just Fantastic.
Nobody is getting ***** to do something on this Platform which he or she don't want to do.
But things like "If you don't like the Gambling Games then don't just play them" or
"You can spend your Credits just simply on the Store"
were told many Times in the past already. So i don't want to be the Vinyl Record again.

We can get worried about an Gambling Addiction, but what about an iStripper Addiction 😛

For myself i am looking relaxed on my Collection and can be Happy about it
what i have and what i reached so far. We are getting every Day a new Surprise within the Girls Store,
and i reached for myself exactly that point, to get this Surprise every Day since January 2021.

That is good enough for me, and if i want to go for the Hunt for an SEC i will do it,
and if not the world will not end from this.
Because there are 2619 other Girls at the moment which are waiting for my Attention.
And the best thing is i can enjoy them as much as i want, anytime i want.

In the past, they have given us a free card for a months subscription. And they have done so repeatedly. And in many (most?) cases that free card has been a SEC card. They wouldn't have repeated that offer so often if they didn't profit from it.

This would make me buy all the monthly cards at full prize just to get the joker. Otherwise I tend to wait for the card to be offered at a reduced cost. So I think this would benefit Totem, as well as the customers. And it would, perhaps, make the people who buy all the cards more positive as well.

And the games can continue as before.

So I think all are winners here. 😊

But what do I know. I just like the product, and want a way to make everyone feel they have a way to get the SEC. 😄

@Firescale
Your idea is great from our (users) perspective.
I'm affraid it's not the same from company's point of view.
As @Gorfa91 wrote above, why would they give us a free joker if we spend our credits in games anyway? By saying "we" I mean those who wants to get each and every card.

Of course, there would still be individuals who wouldn't like this idea saying "why others get the SEC for free when I still have to play these stupid games to get a SEC of my favorite model?" 😉

Collectors are buying all the cards every month anyway AND play games to get the SEC in addition. Gambling is now part of the business model and DNA of Totem/iStripper. They would have stopped already if people had massively boycotted the system for real. But it is not the case. Can you imagine a minute that casinos will stop the business as long as they are crowded? I can't.

Why not solve the gambling issue with having a one month subsription to buy all the cards for the month, and as a bonus you get one joker card?

That way the collector can avoid games for the month and get the SEC released. And Totem sell all the cards of the month for the full price (adjusted by membership level).

And if it works they could do so for every month they release a SEC.

And they have the games for those who do not want to buy every card as it is released.

It has been months (years?) now that I read about boycott but so far we all have complete collections (including the latest SEC from Sharon, I guess from Day 1). 😉

Oui je confirme collectionneur complétiste/compulsif est une forme de dépendance.

Have an excellent week.

@wtprivate, I understand very well what you are feeling, living the same thing as you.

The problem is that iStripper for me has now become more of a place of frustration, given the attitude of the Totem people, than of fun and relaxation, which this site has provided me with a lot in the past.

Unless Totem makes an exceptional turnaround, which would go more in favor of feeling that they really do listen to people like you and me, I will live my withdrawal from this site very well. Don't kid yourself, it would be very surprising to see any changes to satisfy us from Totem. They had ample opportunity to do so, if they really wanted to.

It's a shame, because I find it a nice product. It's really the attitude of the people in charge that bothers me, and the laissez faire attitude towards our proposals. The division between the members that this attitude produces and the feeling that finally, we are very negligible, for them, despite all the money invested. Money that we would have continued to put in for years, if not for this.

I will still continue to enjoy my existing collection and put my money with merchants, whose customer satisfaction I will feel is important to them.

To answer other questions, no I don't have an addiction to games, and I don't want one. I don't enjoy playing games. But I do enjoy owning and collecting things. Is it a form of addiction, probably? In any case, I am not the only one in this situation.


@wtprivate, je comprends très bien ce que vous ressentez, vivant la même chose que vous.

Le problème est qu'iStripper pour moi est devenu maintenant plus un lieu de frustration, vu l'attitude des responsables de Totem, que de plaisir et de détente, que ce site m'a déjà beaucoup procuré par le passé.

À moins d'un revirement exceptionnel de Totem, qui irait plus en faveur de sentir qu'ils sont vraiment à l'écoute des gens comme vous et moi, je vais très bien vivre mon retrait de ce site. Ne vous faites pas d'illusion, il serait très surprenant de voir des changements pour nous satisfaire de la part de Totem. Ils ont eu amplement la chance de le faire, s'ils l'auraient vraiment voulu.

C'est dommage, car je trouve que c'est un produit agréable. C'est vraiment l'attitude des responsables, qui me dérange, et le laissé faire quant à nos propositions. La division entre les membres que cette attitude produit et le sentiment que finalement, nous sommes très négligeables, pour eux, malgré tout l'argent investi. Argent que nous aurions continué à mettre encore pendant des *****ées, si ça n'avait été de cela.

Je vais tout de même continuer à profiter de ma collection existante et mettre mon argent chez des commerçants, dont je vais sentir que la satisfaction des clients est importante pour eux.

Pour répondre à d'autres interrogations, non je n'ai pas de dépendance aux jeux, et je n'en veux pas. Je n'ai aucun plaisir à jouer. Par contre j'aime posséder et collectionner les choses. Est-ce une forme de dépendance, probablement ? En tous les cas, je ne suis pas le seul dans cette situation.

@ComteDracula - it's great to see I'm not the only one who is now voting with my wallet.

@TheEmu keeps saying we should stop - so we will. And hopefully, many others also.

That way at least, the impact to the bottom line will be the evidence that Totem is supposedly looking for.

That people ***** being disrespected. Who knew?

By then, the damage will be done - and loyal members will have left in droves. Perhaps then they will consider the weight of their actions?

I'm now at the point that no amount of change would ever bring me back. Period. It's not about the SECs anymore - it's purely about not supporting companies that don't respect their customers. Leopards don't change their spots.

k, thanks, jus check'n.

It may affect your balance but that's about all. hahaa <(^_^)>

won't make us go commyanist neither, rights?
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@JuppKowalski - the person in question stated very clearly that he did not have an gambling addiction.

I`m not talking about any person, you gave an generalized statement. You told "the actions indicate you to do in fact find the practise acceptable". That means not the person but the action indicates somebody and that is completly wrong.

And tell me one reason why somebody should tell you and the world in an open forum if he or she is an ***** or not?

Theoretically possible, except that the person in question has maintained a full collection for well over a year.

Then your

on more than 20 occassion

still isnt for sure .

@JuppKowalski - the person in question stated very clearly that he did not have an gambling addiction.

Not true! Could have won more than 20 Joker cards in one gambling session at the slot mashine.

Theoretically possible, except that the person in question has maintained a full collection for well over a year.

However your actions in using the games to obtain the SECs strongly indicates that you do in fact find the practice acceptable - otherwise why did you accept playing them ?

Open your mind! Did you ever hear of addiction? If an ***** gives money for something it has nothing to do with finding a practise acceptable. For ***** people there is no choice. And even those people have got the right to say what they like and dislike, without being judged for it.

on more than 20 occassions

Not true! Could have won more than 20 Joker cards in one gambling session at the slot mashine.

jolie tatiana, belle brunette couleur coco 😎

I played to get the SEC cards, having no other way to do it. I tried it, saw the results, and came to the conclusion, which I already had before I started playing, that it wasn't worth continuing.

And so on more than 20 occassions when you had the choice to accept or reject you chose to accept. As I said before your actions speak louder than your words.

@TheEmu

I played to get the SEC cards, having no other way to do it. I tried it, saw the results, and came to the conclusion, which I already had before I started playing, that it wasn't worth continuing. But I wanted to experience it to confirm my impressions.

With the exchange rate my collection cost me quite a bit more than you paid for it.

That being said, I have nothing more to say to you. Our conversations are going in circles. We will never get along on this subject.


@TheEmu

J'y ai jouer pour obtenir les cartes SEC, n'ayant pas d'autres moyens de le faire. J'ai essayé, vu les résultats, et j'en ai venu à la conclusion, que j'avais déjà avant de commencer à jouer, que cela ne valait pas la peine de continuer. Mais je voulais en faire l'expérience pour confrmer mes impressions.

Avec le taux de change ma collection m'a coûté pas mal plus cher que vous l'avez payé.

Ceci étant dit, je n'ai plus rien à vous dire. Nos conversations tournent en rond. Nous ne nous entendrons jamais sur ce sujet.

@ComteDracula

I do not like the games any more than you do - and have said so almost as often.

However your actions in using the games to obtain the SECs strongly indicates that you do in fact find the practice acceptable - otherwise why did you accept playing them ?

Your acceptance may have been reluctant, but was real. Why you think that a having full collection is worth so much I have no idea, but your actions more than indicate that you must have assigned a high value to having a complete set (but don't like paying the value that you have assigned to it).

Have you ever considered that they listen to what their customers actually do. Any customer that has of their own free will participated in the games to the extent that they have obtained all the SECs is sending a strong signal that they consider the price to be acceptable - no matter what they say. Actions speak louder than words.

@TheEmu, Totem's great policy advocate.

I've never found their games to be acceptable, and I've said so many times.

Just because I played them 3 or 4 times with the progress bar as the only way to get those SECs, doesn't mean I agreed to them.

I would have much preferred to buy them.

The proof is all the times I have denounced these, on this forum.

There are always limits to treating me like an "unconscious".


@TheEmu, le grand défenseur des politiques de Totem.

Je n'ai jamais trouvé accceptable leurs jeux, et je l'ai souvent dit.

Ce n'est pas parce que j'y ai joué 3 ou 4 fois avec la barre de progression, comme seul moyen d'obtenir ces SEC, qui je consentais à ceux-ci.

J'aurais de loin préféré les acheter.

La preuve en est toutes le fois où j'ai dénoncé ceux-ci, sur ce forum.

Il y a toujours des limites à me traiter comme un "inconscient".

That's not what I call listening to all their customers.

Have you ever considered that they listen to what their customers actually do. Any customer that has of their own free will participated in the games to the extent that they have obtained all the SECs is sending a strong signal that they consider the price to be acceptable - no matter what they say. Actions speak louder than words.