In form and content it is the same.

I agree - but that does not make them the same product.

An analogy - there are (or were, it is a long time ago that I heard of this) manufacturers of breakfast cereals that package the same cereal for one of the major brands and also as a supermarket's "own brand" of cereal with the only difference being the packaging. These are different products selling for different prices, sometimes in different markets but sometimes being next to each other on the supermarket's shelf.

I have heard of similar things being done where essentialy the same thing is sold by a single manufacturer or retailer but under two different brand names targeting different portions of the same population - the most recent example I can think of being the same items of clothing being sold either with an up-market logo or a mass market logo. Almost the same thing happens with some electrical and electronic goods where the main differences are cosmetic and, most importantly, the ostensible maker's "badge"

We may neither like nor approve of artificially differentiating products in this way - but it is a common practice and we should not be surprised or particularly offended when we encounter it.

Winning bid: EUR 828.00 👍

Yes, for you (but not everyone) they are the same thing - but only after purchasing them. Before that they are very different things. Almost all that you have said on the subject confirms that they are, for you, very different before purchase.

In form and content it is the same. They are the same girls, with no more extras than the regular cards.

They are just more difficult to acquire, to create envy and contribute in many cases to an ***** profit for Totem. That's the difference.

Look no further.

And like all cards, they don't belong to us. Totem just gives us the right to play them.

I as a collector, when it comes to an object and I am willing to pay a higher price, I own this object, and can resell it.

This is not the case here.

As for the NFT, yes we own a card. Yes you can resell it, but it's too risky a market to invest in.


Dans la forme et son contenu c'est la même chose. Ce sont les mêmes filles, avec pas plus de supplément que les cartes régulières.

Elles sont juste plus difficile à acquérir, pour susciter l'envie et contribuer dans plusieurs cas à un profit abusif pour Totem. Elle est là la différence.

Ne cherchez pas plus loin.

De plus comme toutes les cartes, elles ne nous appartiennent pas. Totem nous cèdent juste le droit de les faire jouer.

Moi en tant que collectionneur, quant il s'agit d'objet et que je suis prêt à payer un prix plus élevé, je possède cet objet, et peut le revendre.

Ce qui n'est pas le cas ici.

Quant aux NFT, oui on possède une carte. Oui on peut la revendre, mais c'est un marché trop à risque pour y investir.

I'm sorry, but for me, SEC and regular cards are the same thing.

Yes, for you (but not everyone) they are the same thing - but only after purchasing them. Before that they are very different things. Almost all that you have said on the subject confirms that they are, for you, very different before purchase.

Sincerly I think they are exactly the same product, just sold in a different way.

My thoughts ( they may or may not be 100% accurate )

NFT's will have a Limited number available.
Three levels of Value are planned.
The most Valuable NFT's may only have ONE available. ??
There will also be less valuable NFT versions available in higher quantity, but still limited to just that number.
All of the NFT's can be easily Obtained using crypto currency.
They Have a value, that potentially can increase many times the initial investment to obtain it.
They can be Resold or Traded.

SEC's are elusive to obtain, some have a direct definitive path to collect them, while others rely on luck and chance.
Play the games of chance often enough and you CAN obtain it and Hope that your other winnings offset the expenditure.
Their number is not limited, and after obtaining them, they have no value.
They can NOT be resold or traded.

It's the unknown cost and the oversized profit in relation to the value of the SEC card that bothers me, not the profit itself, which is normal for a business.

Stop counting in credit, and count how much in cash a card cost you.

Because with the exchange rates, the purchase of credits does not have the same value for everyone.

There is still something exaggerated to spend say 300 credits for a card that is worth at most 11.00 credits for a Triple Diamond Premium member or 13.75 without Premium.

It seems that inflation does not affect everyone's wallet in the same way.

But personally I find this profit *****.

It is in my opinion, much more of a project like the NFT, which if it doesn't work, may affect the regular program.

Because they have to subsidize themselves from these more profitable funds, to start this project.

I'm sorry, but for me, SEC and regular cards are the same thing.

Artificial scarcity is a technique to give the illusion that one card is more valuable than the others, when it is not. It is an old tactic of capitalism. To make people believe that if they don't have that rare thing, they'll miss out on something, which could make them happy.

I have SEC cards, and none have made me happier than regular cards.

I was fooled at first. But not anymore.


C'est bien plus le coût inconnu et le profit surdimensionné en lien à la valeur de la carte SEC qui me dérange,et non le profit proprement dit, qui est normal pour une entreprise.

Cessé de compter en crédit, et compter combien en argent une carte vous à coûté.

Car avec les taux de change, l'achat de crédits n'a pas la même valeur pour tous.

Il y a tout de même quelquechose d'éxagéré à dépenser disons 300 crédits pour une carte qui en vaut au plus 11.00 crédits pour un membre Triple diamants Premium ou 13.75 sans Premium.

Il semble que l'inflation n'affecte pas le portefeuille de tout le mon de la même manière.

Mais personnnellement je trouve ce profit abusif.

C'est selon moi, bien plus des projet comme les NFT, qui si ça ne fonctionne pas, risque d'affecter le programme régulier.

Car ils doivent se subventionner à même ces fonds plus rentable, pour démarrer ce projet.

Désolé, mais pour moi, les SEC et les cartes régulières c'est la même chose.

La rareté artificielle, est une technique pour donner l'illusion qu'une carte a plus de valeur que les autres, alors qu'il n'en est rien. C'est une vieille tactique du capitalisme. Pour inciter les gens à croire que s'il ne possède pas cette chose rare, ils vont passer à côter de quelquechose, qui pourrait les rendre heureux.

J'ai des cartes SEC, et aucune ne m'a rendu plus heureux que des cartes régulières.

Je me suis fait avoir au début. Mais plus maintenant.

My word, what have I done! 😆 Net spend of 290 of my credits to get the SEC. 👍
Plus a couple of Gift cards also.

I used a joker to get it because I didn't want to wait a week. Average cost of a Joker to me is around 350 credits.

I fell in love with her long before the end of the show.

She is gorgeous with a fantastic body but more importantly she has a really "bouncy" personality which shows through in the card. She seems to have a great sense of "fun".

My word, what have I done! 😆 Net spend of 290 of my credits to get the SEC. 👍
Plus a couple of Gift cards also.

I've only sampled a few clips so far to check it's download okay, but she sure looks fun to me.
And some of us have been asking for more varied shows, props and normal type outfits.
This hits the mark perfectly, for me at least. So thanks very much iStripper team. 👍

Sincerly I think they are exactly the same product, just sold in a different way.

Then, equally sincerly, I think you are simply wrong in your belief. They differ in one very important respect. SECs a have a special property that is totally lacking from the normal cards.

That you don't value this property, rarity, does not mean that others will share your view. Some people value rarity and are willing to pay for it - I am not one of them but I do recognise that they exist and, from a business point of view, can be taken advantage of.

If you got a good deal, good for you. If not, you have contributed to making Totem richer. In the latter case, there is nothing to be happy about.

I don't understand this view @ComteDracula since if Totem gets poorer there is surely a risk this iStripper App we all enjoy comes to an end. Tits up you could say.

As @muttonjeff wrote:

why do you have to maintain this negative rhetoric?

If others wish to play the games it is their choice, their money, their problem.
The cost of a SEC here is nothing compared to the cost of joining a model's OnlyFans page. 💰
I knew it woud be, but dear Gloria caught me in her clutches and my credit card is in the ER/A&E.
But what a fun journey it has been with her. 😊

Mina Von D - Escapades In The Night - f1058 - iStripper XXX
Kitty - Overload - f1083 - iStripper XXX
Ellie Luna - A Hard Day's Night - f1076 - iStripper XXX
Sofi Vega - Sofa-King Beautiful - f1071 - iStripper XXX
Melody Marks - The First Night - f1036 - iStripper XXX
Vanessa Alessia - Walkin' In The Springtime - e1756 - iStripper
Any Moloko - Taking Ted To Bed - f1082 - iStripper XXX

SECs (like the NFT cards) are a different product

Sincerly I think they are exactly the same product, just sold in a different way.

I think that it´s tricky...Last time I pushed seriously for winning one of these awards I had much more than 4000 cards, but everybody had 4000 and some hundreds or dozens more than me; I have now more than 5000, and everybody has 5000 by large...I know that it has no sense, but I I don´t think this was a fair play.

I don't know about you, but I deplore the fact that there are no more real promotions

As do I.

it seems that Totem gives the idea that TGIF can be advantageous for customers and make them save credits on the cards,

Which is true in the sense that it can be advantageous for customers - but the reason why any business makes such offers is normally that it is advantageous to the business.

while it does not seem to me at all the case.

Some of the promotions are advantageous to me, some are not but are advantageous to others - in many cases they are most advantageous to customers with small collections. Presumably the customers that are targeted are those that are expected to provide the biggest benefit to Totem (and quite rightly so). At the other extreme there is absolutely no reason to give any extra discounts to those that are going to buy anyway. That you, and I, are not part of the group that benefits does not mean that nobody benefits.

Rassurez-vous cher @ComteDracula, je n'ai pas quitté ce forum 😊 Juste quelques petites visites de l'autre coté 😄
Les jeux -20% ou Cashback sont plus rares en effet. Mais la semaine prochaine il y a le Free Packs par exemple. Pour celui qui veut compléter sa collection c'est aussi avantageux (avec des cartes aléatoires cependant) Le rabais y est encore plus élevé.😉

Don't worry dear @ComteDracula, I haven't left this forum 😊 Just a few visits from the other side 😄
Games -20% or Cashback are rarer indeed. But next week there is the Free Packs for example. For those who want to complete their collection, it is also advantageous (with random cards, however) The discount is even higher.😉

Discord a des effets indésirables sur vous cher @Philours.

Il ne faut surtout pas perdre l'habitude d'écrire dans notre belle langue.

Mieux vaut revenir au bercail. C'est à dire ici. 😊

Juste pour compléter mon point de vue car je ne veux pas m'éterniser, je ne sais pas pour vous, mais je déplore le fait qu'il n'y a plus de réelles promotions, qui donnaient de réel rabais aux clients. Exemple 20% sur toutes les filles rousses.

De plus depuis qu'il y a les jeux de hasard qui ont pris toute la place, on dirait que Totem donne l'idée que les TGIF peuvent être avantageux pour les clients et leur faire sauver des crédits sur les cartes, alors que cela ne me semble plus du tout le cas.

Just to complete my point of view because I don't want to go on forever, I don't know about you, but I deplore the fact that there are no more real promotions, which gave real discounts to customers. For example 20% on all redheaded girls.

Also since gambling has taken all the space, it seems that Totem gives the idea that TGIF can be advantageous for customers and make them save credits on the cards, while it does not seem to me at all the case.

Car rien n'est certain pour les gens qui joue dans le but d'obtenir des cartes SEC.

Ce qui est certain, maintenant, depuis que totem utilise de façon régulière la barre de progression c'est que vous obtiendrez la carte SEC mise en jeu. Ce qui l'est moins est ce que cela va vous couter. Depuis que je joue, ces cartes m'ont toujours fait dépenser des crédits. Rarement un bénéfice a été observé dans ce système. Mais c'est le principe du jeu. Quelques chanceux pour de nombreux malchanceux 😆

What is certain now, since totem regularly uses the progress bar, is that you will get the SEC card put into play. What is less certain is what it will cost you. Since I've been playing, these cards have always made me spend credits. Rarely has a benefit been observed in this system. But that's the principle of the game. A few lucky ones for many unlucky ones 😆

Dans les 2 langues, cher Comte, désolé pour cela 😦 L'utilisation de discord m'a certainement fait oublier cette habitude 😉

Except that here it can be an exaggerated profit

D you know what the profit is on SECs ?
Do you know what the profit is on normal cards ?

The answer to those two questions is, as it is for me, almost certainly no.

It is quite possible that the profit on both are what you would regard as "exaggerated", it is equally possible that neither would qualify for that description,. It is, indeed, quite possible that the profit from a SECs is less than that from an ordinary card - but that it is extra profit.

The basic argument used against SECs has often been something like one of

These cards cost me more than I want to pay for them
These cards cost me more than I can afford to pay for them

but those arguments apply equally well, for a different set of people, to the ordinary cards. SECs (like the NFT cards) are a different product, sold in a different way, for a different price to ordinary cards. That once you have obtained one it can't be dstinguished in any signifcant way (other than the purchaser's mental state) should be irrelevant.

There is absolutely no reason why any seller should try to minimise the price paid by their customers. Indeed just the opposite - but you have to consider the effect of the price on the customers as a whole not as only as individuals.

It's all about profit for Totem.
Which is equally true for the normal cards.

Except that here it can be an exaggerated profit, which can make the person pay a lot for not necessarily having the desired SEC card or cards.

For nothing is certain for people who play in order to get SEC cards.


Sauf qu'ici cela peut-être un profit exagéré pour Totem, qui peut faire en sorte que la personne paie beaucoup pour ne pas avoir nécessairement la ou les cartes SEC voulu.

Car rien n'est certain pour les gens qui joue dans le but d'obtenir des cartes SEC.

There's something to be said for being a real winner.

Maybe this is really the case for @dolphins109?

For that you have to count the difference between the starting credits and the remaining credits.

Too many people get excited without really knowing what their real gains or losses are.

There is nothing to rejoice about when you have to pay for so-called gift cards, which you cannot exchange for an SEC card.

This is not negative rhetoric, it is fact.


Il y a de quoi se réjouir lorsqu'on est vraiment gagnant.

Peut-être est-ce vraiment le cas de @dolphins109 ?

Pour cela il faut faire le décompte de la différence entre les crédits de départ et les crédits restants.

Trop de gens se réjouissent sans trop savoir ce que sont leur gains ou leur pertes réelles.

Il n'y a rien à se réjouir à devoir payer des cartes dites cadeaux, que l'on ne peut échanger contre une carte SEC.

Ce n'est pas une réthorique négative, ce sont des faits.

Remember, these cards are not worth more than the others. Totem has created an artificial rarity for these cards.

Which (by the definition of "worth") for those who want them and will pay the asking price makes them worth more than the other cards.

It's not like an item that is created in so many copies. And then there will be none left.

This is true of SECs (but is not true of the NFT cards).

The iStripper cards can be sold in as many copies as Totem wants. There is no real rarity here.

Rarity is rarity no matter why it occurs. It may be artificial but it is still real.

It's all about profit for Totem.

Which is equally true for the normal cards.

You can't always get what you want

Rolling Stones .. epic song 👍

@dolphins109 good for you 👍👍👍



@ComteDracula pourquoi devez-vous maintenir cette rhétorique négative ?
Vous nous avez dit plusieurs fois (dans tant de fils) que vous n’aimez pas les jeux
Vous nous avez dit à plusieurs reprises que vous ne les jouiez pas et vos raisons pour lesquelles
Je n’y joue pas non plus mais je ne continue pas à poster à ce sujet
Je ne veux pas offenser, mais s’il vous plaît trouver un sujet différent à poster

mon opinion est quelque chose que j’exprime rarement, donc je vais ignorer toute réponse

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Welcome, Lion King!

I've been here 5 years. Still some good discussion here although the majority of it is now on Discord.

lady luck was on my side today i won both SEC shows and 2 gift cards in the 25 game.😀👍

@dolphins109 The real question is how much did each SEC card and gift card (which is not a gift after all, since you paid for them), cost you on average? Have you done the math?

Remember, these cards are not worth more than the others. Totem has created an artificial rarity for these cards.

It's not like an item that is created in so many copies. And then there will be none left.

The iStripper cards can be sold in as many copies as Totem wants. There is no real rarity here.

It's all about profit for Totem.

If you got a good deal, good for you. If not, you have contributed to making Totem richer. In the latter case, there is nothing to be happy about.


@dolphins109 La vraie question est combien chaque carte SEC et carte cadeau (qui n'est finalement pas un cadeau, puisque vous les avez payé), vous ont t'elle coûtée en moyenne ? Avez-vous fait le décompte ?

N'oubliez pas que ces cartes ne valent pas plus que les autres. Totem a crée une rareté artificielle pour ces cartes.

Ce n'est pas comme un objet qui est créé à tant d'exemplaire. Et qu'ensuite il n'y en aura plus.

Les cartes iStripper peuvent être vendu à autant d'exemplaire que Totem le veut. Il n'y a pas de réelle rareté ici.

C'est une question de profit pour Totem.

Si vous vous en êtes tiré à bon compte tant mieux. Sinon vous avez contribué à enrichir Totem. Dans ce dernier cas, il n'y a pas de quoi se réjouir.

lady luck was on my side today i won both SEC shows and 2 gift cards in the 25 game.😀👍

Yes indeed Paula Shy is a beautiful woman. Her cards are worth the purchase. 😊

Oui en effet Paula Shy est une femme magnifique. Ses cartes en valent l'achat. 😊

There are too many unknowns and risks with cryptocurrencies.

This is my key concern also. Some posts on the Dolz server I have no idea what they are talking about.
Anyway I had a fun day with dear Paula Shy and can go to bed happy.

Welcome to this forum @TheLionKing83

Have fun with the girls at iStripper. 😊


Bienvenue sur ce forum @TheLionKing83

Amusez-vous bien avec les filles de iStripper. 😊

Excellent! Nearly 2 years for me and I'm still the same, enjoying the experience.
Lots of mostly fun chat also on the forum here and on Discord.
I see you like "Asian Women Especially Japanese".
That might be a little limited here I think, but I see you have found Ayako Fuji already. 👍
And you can always suggest models that might make the trip to Paris, if iStripper were to contact them.
Good luck with building your collection.

I had understood well.

I know that there will be E and F cards as well.

But as for the NFT card, it will still be lost for the majority. Kind of like SECs, but SECs are winnable for those who want to play games of chance.

I am wary of fads and movements. There are too many unknowns and risks with cryptocurrencies.

There will be other people like @anising who will be disappointed. But Totem will have made their money. So much for those who will have had a bad experience.

J'avais bien compris.

Je sais que qu'il y aura aussi des cartes E et F.

Mais pour ce qui est de la carte NFT, elle sera tout de même perdue pour la majorité. Un peu comme pour les SEC, mais les SEC, il y a moyen de les gagner pour ceux qui veulent jouer aux jeux de hasard.

Moi je me méfie des modes et des mouvements. Il y a trop d'inconnues et de risque avec les cryptomonnaies.

Il va y avoir d'autres personnes comme @anising qui vont déchanté. Mais Totem eux vont avoir fait leur argent. Tant pis ceux qui vont avoir eu une mauvaise expérience.

@ComteDracula I thought my ending words were clear?

because her other shows will still be available as e and f series.

Yes I'd rather all the models cards were e or f series.
But it seems Totem are determined to go ahead with this Dolz project.
Luckily for me I think the delay has saved me money, the crash in crypto currencies, the example of @anising 's stolen funds and knowing there is so much other content still to see on so many other quality sites, I am now very unlikely myself to go any further with this. May be Totem will have a rethink if more think the same? Probably not there seems to be enough interest on the Dolz Discord server to keep it alive, even if many there have or had no idea what iStripper actually is.

@wrightsayswow

Why do you want our beautiful women to have NFT cards? These are cards that will be bought at a high price, and will be lost to most people. Which probably won't make much or any money for those who try to resell them.

Personally, I don't understand this madness, which has only one goal: to enrich Totem.

Explain it to me!

I'm sorry, I could be wrong, but I don't believe in the long-term viability of this project.

The future will tell.


@wrightsayswow

Pourquoi souhaitez-vous que nos belles femmes aient des cartes NFT ? Ce sont des cartes qui vont être achetées à gros prix, et qui vont être perdues pour la majorité des gens. Qui probablement ne rapporteront pas grand chose à ceux qui vont essayez de les revendre ou si peu.

Personnellement je ne comprend pas cette folie, qui n'a qu'un but : Enrichir Totem.

Expliquez moi !

Je suis désolé, je peux me tromper, mais je ne crois pas à la viabilité de ce projet à long terme.

L'avenir nous le dira.

Yesterday I wrote this in part of my post.

I wonder how many of us can remember every card we bought that once we really wanted, and now sits forgotten in our collections, only to appear at random sometimes when the computer decides to play it in a screensaver?

And what happens today up pops ...

A model I had let slip my mind. Now I hope perhaps she returns someday and makes an NFT/g-series, because her other shows will still be available as e and f series.

Greetings to you all.
I am a new user on here. so far i am enjoying the experience.

@ComteDracula

Just saw your post. It still makes me little happier.😊👍

@anising So much the better, if my simple words can give a little positive in your life.

Try to enjoy life, in a good way. Surround yourself with people who are positive for you, and above all take care of yourself. It's the key to happiness to take good care of yourself. it's not selfishness. 😊


@anising Tant mieux, si mes simples mots peuvent donner un peu de positif dans votre vie.

Essayez de profiter de la vie, dans le bon sens du terme. Entourez-vous de gens positifs pour vous, et surtout prennez soin de vous. C'est la clé du bonheur que de bien s'occupper de soi. ce n'est pas de l'égoïsme. 😊

@Philours, il est dommage que vous ayez cessez d'écrire vos messages aussi en français.

J'ai assez de devoir traduire ceux des anglophones.

Ne délaissez pas l'importance de notre langue.

Déjà qu'au Québec et au Canada, la conserver est un combat de tous les jours.

@ComteDracula

Just saw your post. It still makes me little happier.😊👍

Well earned! ❤️

@HombreSinSombra

I know people like you very well who discourage me and I don't even care whatever you call me or disprespect me as it already happened with me for several years.
I am just sharing what I actually think by that and its upto you if you ***** me because of that.

Look I have heard more scarier stories like homeless, bankrupt.or in jail or asylum.etc.
I always keep thinking about it as well if this should not happen with me.

Of course prostitues are my real friends and those who told me to stay away from girls are my enemies who I have cut contact with because it deeply ***** me.
And if nothing left then emergency pills to help me survive and I am thankful for that.

There are millions of people in this world that have ***** and still are ***** WAY more than you appear to be.

For sure! And what's more, if I understood correctly, he just got married! So enjoy, man!

@anising,

You are due to meet a woman who will share a true love with you.

Dating prostitutes is anything but true love.

I would be depressed too, if my life was limited to dating such women.

There is nothing better than a woman who really loves us and with whom we have the chance to overcome the joys and trials of life.

If we are lucky enough, as I am, to have a close-knit and happy family, we have won the big one, as they say.

For me the iStrippper girls are just a delight for the eyes, but nothing more.

But now we're getting off the subject of this thread.


@anising,

Vous êters dû pour rencontrer une femme qui va partager un vrai amour avec vous.

Fréquenter des prostituées est tout, sauf un vrai amour.

Moi aussi je serais déprimé, si ma vie se résumait à la fréquentation de telle femmes.

Rien de mieux qu'une femme qui nous aime vraiment et avec qui on a la chance de surmonter les joies et les épreuves de la vie.

Si en plus nous avons la chance comme moi d'avoir une famille unie, et le moindrement heureuse, on a gagné le gros-lot, comme on dit.

Pour moi les filles d'iStrippper ne sont qu'un délice pour les yeux, mais sans plus.

Mais là on sort du sujet de ce fil de discussion.

Attention seeking, much? Get over yourself, dude.

There are millions of people in this world that have ***** and still are ***** WAY more than you appear to be. Go take your pills and then when you wake up, try thinking rationally about what's REALLY important in your life. AND stop cluttering up this forum with your crying for help BS.

You CAN'T always get what you want. The sooner you realise that, the better it will be for you. Or not...

I could tell you some pretty scary true stories about my life. I'm fine for now but that could change again at any time. Control is an illusion. How you deal with the unexpected when it happens will make or break you. Trust me.

Hi there

I wanted to define which categories of clips can play in a scene. I'm fine with one... e.g "category: student" but if I want more than one I'm unsure what the syntax is - I read it on one of the forum pages but can't find it. Can anyone help please?

More cards from Melody 💗❤️

Well deserved ! Congrats to Melody 👍💕!

One is due VERY soon and the other in around two weeks (if current release schedules do not change).

Two upcoming cards. That is great news! (still want a lot more from her)

Still two ore cards to come from her first take

Melody certaintly is fantastic and deserving of the award.