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jclown781
Joined in Feb 2008

92 post(s)
January 7
I just thought I'd throw this out there and see what everyone thinks. I have been a subscriber for over 15 years. I own every card just about (I think) and I love the neverending stream of stunning women and the overall content. Over the last couple years I have become a little frustrated with the content shift to xxx and I have been expressing it by commenting on the individual shows. Just a FYI I DO enjoy xxx and taskbar content (some of it anyway) I just believe that the focus is shifting too much in that direction and other content such as dancing and standing/pole stripping and teasing is shortened or cut out entirely. Recently I've been getting called out as being a "complainer." This in and out of itself doesn't bother me but it does raise the question. Do I ***** too much in everyone's opinion? Just to be clear I have NOT NOR WOULD I EVER call for certain content to be taken out entirely just because I don't like it. We're all different and I appreciate that there's something for everyone's tastes and fancies.That's why I am still here after all these years..However am I the only one that thinks that every xxx show has the same repetitive content that occupies way too much time out of shows that are only on average a half hour to begin with? Is there any compromise or ways to improve this formula to maybe balance it a bit or add more variety so to speak? Are there others besides me that would like the "Stripper" part of Istripper to be more utilized again? Or is this just what everyone wants another porn site that just happens to function as a screensaver? Let me know please I admit to getting a tad frustrated writing the same criticisms day in and day out for all these shows especially if nothing will ever come of it. If it's truly a waste of everyone's time I will stop.
Wyldanimal
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Joined in Mar 2008

3760 post(s)
January 7 (edited)
My complaint is that you post in one long run on Sentence and it makes it difficult to read.

try breaking it up,
use the enter key at the end of a Sentence.

I will often, write the post in Notepad
then when I have my thoughts organized.
I copy from Notepad and paste to the forum...



I just thought I'd throw this out there and see what everyone thinks.
I have been a subscriber for over 15 years. I own every card just about (I think) and I love the neverending stream of stunning women and the overall content.
Over the last couple years I have become a little frustrated with the content shift to xxx and I have been expressing it by commenting on the individual shows.
Just a FYI I DO enjoy xxx and taskbar content (some of it anyway) I just believe that the focus is shifting too much in that direction and other content such as dancing and standing/pole stripping and teasing is shortened or cut out entirely.
Recently I've been getting called out as being a "complainer."
This in and out of itself doesn't bother me but it does raise the question.

Do I ***** too much in everyone's opinion?

Just to be clear I have NOT NOR WOULD I EVER call for certain content to be taken out entirely just because I don't like it.
We're all different and I appreciate that there's something for everyone's tastes and fancies.
That's why I am still here after all these years..

However am I the only one that thinks that every xxx show has the same repetitive content that occupies way too much time out of shows that are only on average a half hour to begin with?
Is there any compromise or ways to improve this formula to maybe balance it a bit or add more variety so to speak?
Are there others besides me that would like the "Stripper" part of Istripper to be more utilized again?
Or is this just what everyone wants another porn site that just happens to function as a screensaver?

Let me know please I admit to getting a tad frustrated writing the same criticisms day in and day out for all these shows especially if nothing will ever come of it.
If it's truly a waste of everyone's time I will stop.
zzmaskers
Joined in Mar 2011

607 post(s)
January 7
I agree with @jclown781. Nowadays the shift is towards f-cards. In most cases a model does now 1 e-card and 5 f-cards. At least half of the time is spent on XXX-table clips. With the focus on the XXX-table clips the outfit is limited and with the limited outfit the stripping proces in the Standing and Pole clips is done in four or five clips.

A great card - for me the best in 2023 - was Kelly Collins/Grab My Ballastics. A great outfit with interesting in between stages with part of the outfit before getting the Nude and Real Full Nude stadium.

My wish like I have many times written in my comments: at least half of the time with Standing and Pole clips, preferably 60% or more like it was in Adel Morel/Evening Interlude. And also outfits with blouse, skirt, dress plus bra.

Models with Dance and Pole dance skills shouldn't spent too much time on the table like happened with Geishakyd. .

fallen0ne
Joined in Sep 2007

154 post(s)
January 7
I have to say that I agree with @jclown781 & @zzmaskers
There has certainly been more of a shift towards "XXX / XXX table" cards (f-cards) at the expense of "standing / dancing / pole dancing / stripping" cards (e-cards). I do find it pretty unfortunate because many outfits don't really get taken advantage of during XXX table clips. I also like standing / dancing / stripping clips significantly more than XXX table clips.
Ullubu
Joined in Dec 2011

729 post(s)
January 7
I don't agree. They are XXX cards and as such there should be always more XXX content in the card then other content. Totem does that what sells best, not what some of us would like to see more.
Also the whole comment and rating system of the cards is most useless and should be canceled and replaced by something else.
SupErot
Joined in Nov 2023

8 post(s)
January 8
I actually much prefer reviews like yours @jclown781. You actually offer your thoughts & opinions on the contents of the cards, which is much more helpful & valuable when compared to many of the other reviews. Some others may not agree with your opinion, but that doesn't make it any less valid. You're offering feedback to Totem & other users through the method that they provided, you're doing nothing wrong imo.

I agree with the others as well. The dancing/stripping is one of the things that makes this product unique. There are 1000 other websites you can visit if all you want to see is a girl crawling around pleasing herself. As others mentioned, mixing the dancing with XXX content is good, but it is best when balanced properly.

Personally, my preference would be for all cards to be full 30+ minute striptease shows, and then XXX is just an added bonus (extra clips/time) for some cards. Even if that meant that the longer XXX cards cost more than non-XXX cards, I would be ok with that.
wtccs
Joined in Dec 2019

85 post(s)
January 8 (edited)
Hi @jclown781, I actually search out your reviews when I preview a card I don't have. I don't mind the XXX cards, but your comments help me identify the ones that have good actual stripping. After all, that's what attracted me to iStripper in the first place. I agree that a beautiful outfit is ***** on an all-table card. The XXX content is fine if there is a good lead-up to it.

Ditto with the VR shows. I enjoy the tease way more than the XXX content, which follows pretty much the same formula all the time.
dar2112v
Joined in Dec 2007

440 post(s)
January 8
@jclown781,

I honestly haven't looked at the reviews / comments in years but I will be looking for your comments for future purchases.

I have no problem with the XXX content but it's not the reason I would buy a card; there's only so much a girl can do while shoving plastic. I prefer dancing, standing, stripping, costumes, etc. I'll take sexy over porn all day long.

Thanks for your effort.
Bitwrangler
Joined in Apr 2021

158 post(s)
January 8
I am, shocking no one, with @jclown781. The stripping and dancing in the regular cards is unique to iStripper and provides an experience that you can get nowhere else. The XXX, well, not so much. It's clear, though, that the XXX cards are outselling the regular ones, probably substantially. If a model is willing to do XXX cards, we will, at BEST, get one regular card to 4 or 5 XXX cards. Assuming they aren't all XXX cards, as has happened more than once. And to make room for 15 minutes of XXX content on these cards you have to cut out a lot.

I wish they would do more balanced releases between regular and XXX cards for each model. But I don't think I am going to get my wish. Fortunately I have more than a thousand 3 or 4K regular cards which can provide a good deal of consolation. I just don't think they're going to get a lot of new company.
Manue
TEAM
CUSTOMER SERVICE
Joined in Nov 2014

1028 post(s)
January 8
Hello guys, Thank you very much for your feedback. I have forwarded this thread to the Team.
Nebal
Joined in Feb 2015

227 post(s)
January 8
I just thought I'd throw this out there and see what everyone thinks. I have been a subscriber for over 15 years. I own every card just about (I think) and I love the neverending stream of stunning women and the overall content. Over the last couple years I have become a little frustrated with the content shift to xxx and I have been expressing it by commenting on the individual shows. Just a FYI I DO enjoy xxx and taskbar content (some of it anyway) I just believe that the focus is shifting too much in that direction and other content such as dancing and standing/pole stripping and teasing is shortened or cut out entirely. Recently I've been getting called out as being a "complainer." This in and out of itself doesn't bother me but it does raise the question. Do I ***** too much in everyone's opinion? Just to be clear I have NOT NOR WOULD I EVER call for certain content to be taken out entirely just because I don't like it. We're all different and I appreciate that there's something for everyone's tastes and fancies.That's why I am still here after all these years..However am I the only one that thinks that every xxx show has the same repetitive content that occupies way too much time out of shows that are only on average a half hour to begin with? Is there any compromise or ways to improve this formula to maybe balance it a bit or add more variety so to speak? Are there others besides me that would like the "Stripper" part of Istripper to be more utilized again? Or is this just what everyone wants another porn site that just happens to function as a screensaver? Let me know please I admit to getting a tad frustrated writing the same criticisms day in and day out for all these shows especially if nothing will ever come of it. If it's truly a waste of everyone's time I will stop.

Au contraire jclown781
You are one of my go-to's for stuff I Enjoy as well. if i'm on the fence with a particular card- I'll check and see if you commented on it.... I like almost the same as you
Then theres others here..... zzmaskers, Pantalone, many others, and thank you.
Then theres jt123...who's Warped just as much as I am.
Keep Up the good work man
Ironxside
Joined in Aug 2019

84 post(s)
January 8 (edited)
Hello guys, Thank you very much for your feedback. I have forwarded this thread to the Team.

Don't worry, nothing changes anyway: "XXX" sells better than "not-XXX".
In fact this week too XXX beats not-XXX 6 to 1 (just to please everyone....):

Melena Maria Rya - She Must Be An Angel - f1458 - iStripper XXX
Sia Siberia - Cybersex - f1460 - iStripper XXX
Lilly Mays - Bedtime In Paradise - f1464 - iStripper XXX
Agrus - My Kind Of Bluestocking - e1931 - iStripper
Elle Mira - A Body With Gaps - f1447 - iStripper XXX
Rocky Di - Flog In Boots - e1948 - iStripper
Sata Jones - Sultry Sata - f1435 - iStripper XXX

to the delight of those armed with stopwatches.
I have a handful of credits left to spend....

Edit....Correction made in list
SupErot
Joined in Nov 2023

8 post(s)
January 8
It's also worth noting that most of the top rated cards on here are non-XXX. Models like Lana Lane, Belka, Gloria, etc are mostly/all non-XXX. Those obviously sell well, or the models wouldn't have been invited back so many times. So I think it goes to show that given the right model/outfit/performance, a non-XXX card can still be a good (if not top) seller.
Alkasyn
Joined in Apr 2008

707 post(s)
January 8
For what it's worth, I also like the normal cards more.

After seeing a girl masturbate on the desktop for 15 minutes I'm simply not that interested in similar shows anymore (especially since the outfit is mostly gone at that point anyway).

I've bought much less in the last few years, but I don't know if that's the only reason for that or not.

Whatever the case may be, I don't think we will be seeing more non-XXX cards - although I am grateful for the disappearance of the "table-only" cards.

Now that was a waste of an outfit if there was any. It's criminal how some of the best outfits were table-only (Melody Marks, for example, but also others I can't name off the top of my head).
Bitwrangler
Joined in Apr 2021

158 post(s)
January 8
Yeah, the XXX cards in general tend to be a waste of good outfits; and none of them are worse than the evil "table only" cards.

😟
Philours
Joined in Feb 2019

1559 post(s)
January 8
@jclown781
Est-ce que vos remarques répétitives me dérangent? Certainement pas, car chacun a le droit de faire valoir ses préférences ici, il me semble. Et apparemment vous n'êtes pas isolé.
Mais j'aimerais aussi faire connaitre mon avis afin que Totem ne s'imagine pas qu'il s'agit d'une réclamation de l'ensemble des membres d'iStripper.
J'aime les cartes x et même (surtout) les cartes "only table".
Vous pouvez toujours regretter le manque de striptease lorsqu'une fille a les compétences requises pour faire un bon spectacle de ce genre. Mais avouez que ce genre de fille est assez rare. Alors plutôt que de voir une fille s'accrocher au poteau de pole dance et tourner en rond indéfiniment, je préfère une bonne scène x.
Des tenues gâchées par des cartes only table? Vous pouvez toujours dire que cette tenue aurait été mieux utilisée dans un show plus érotique. Mais c'est juste une appréciation personnelle. Actuellement les meilleures tenues vont sur nft, alors, devriez-vous peut-être envisager cette option?
Bref, pour moi, le ratio est bon! N'oubliez pas que certaines filles ne font pas de X et que dans plusieurs cartes X la proportion X/Nude est assez faible.
Notez également que pour des modèles venus de l'industrie du porno, il ne doit pas être évident de réaliser 6 cartes (Plus de 3 heures de tournage ) uniquement en strip, alors qu'elles n'en n'ont pas les bases. Laissons les modèles exceller dans leur domaine. Car, j'espère que ce sont les filles qui définiront le type de shows qu'elles désirent offrir et que l'on ne les contraindra pas a faire des choses pour lesquelles elles ne sentent pas capables, ce qui ne pourrait que donner un médiocre résultat.
Je voulais juste faire entendre mon opinion auprès de l'équipe de réalisation pour ne pas subir un changement radical et catastrophique de cap. Merci.

@jclown781
Do your repetitive remarks bother me? Certainly not, because everyone has the right to assert their preferences here, it seems to me. And apparently you are not isolated.
But I would also like to make my opinion known so that Totem does not imagine that this is a complaint from all iStripper members.
I like x cards and even (especially) “only table” cards.
You can always regret the lack of striptease when a girl has the skills required to put on a good show like this. But admit that this kind of girl is quite rare. So rather than seeing a girl hang on to the pole dancing pole and spin in circles indefinitely, I prefer a good x scene.
Outfits ruined by only table cards? You can always tell that this outfit would have been better used in a more erotic show. But that's just a personal assessment. Currently the best outfits are going on nft, so maybe you should consider this option?
In short, for me, the ratio is good! Don't forget that some girls don't do X and that in many X cards the X/Nude proportion is quite low.
Also note that for models coming from the porn industry, it should not be easy to produce 6 cards (More than 3 hours of filming) only in strip, when they do not have the basics. Let models excel in their field. Because, I hope that it is the girls who will define the type of shows they want to offer and that we will not ***** them to do things for which they do not feel capable, which could only result in a mediocre result.
I just wanted to make my opinion heard by the production team so as not to undergo a radical and catastrophic change of course. THANKS.
Philours
Joined in Feb 2019

1559 post(s)
January 8
Yeah, the XXX cards in general tend to be a waste of good outfits; and none of them are worse than the evil "table only" cards. 😟

Maléfiques? Oh désolé que les tenues que vous appréciez le plus soient utilisées dans des shows de Table uniquement 😉 Vous devriez suggérez a l'équipe de faire débuter un tel spectacle avec une fille entièrement nue. Ce qui éviterait le gaspillage d'une tenue et serait plus économique pour Totem😆

Evil? Oh sorry that the outfits you like the most are used in Table shows only 😉 You should suggest to the team to start such a show with a completely naked girl. Which would avoid wasting an outfit and would be more economical for Totem😆
Bitwrangler
Joined in Apr 2021

158 post(s)
January 8
I was going to suggest for table shows they just give them a t-shirt and call it good, but that might be going too far.
Philours
Joined in Feb 2019

1559 post(s)
January 8
I was going to suggest for table shows they just give them a t-shirt and call it good, but that might be going too far.

Peut-être! 😄
Maybe! 😄
Ullubu
Joined in Dec 2011

729 post(s)
January 8
Do your repetitive remarks bother me? Certainly not, because everyone has the right to assert their preferences here, it seems to me. And apparently you are not isolated.
But I would also like to make my opinion known so that Totem does not imagine that this is a complaint from all iStripper members.
I like x cards and even (especially) “only table” cards.
You can always regret the lack of striptease when a girl has the skills required to put on a good show like this. But admit that this kind of girl is quite rare. So rather than seeing a girl hang on to the pole dancing pole and spin in circles indefinitely, I prefer a good x scene.
Outfits ruined by only table cards? You can always tell that this outfit would have been better used in a more erotic show. But that's just a personal assessment. Currently the best outfits are going on nft, so maybe you should consider this option?
In short, for me, the ratio is good! Don't forget that some girls don't do X and that in many X cards the X/Nude proportion is quite low.
Also note that for models coming from the porn industry, it should not be easy to produce 6 cards (More than 3 hours of filming) only in strip, when they do not have the basics. Let models excel in their field. Because, I hope that it is the girls who will define the type of shows they want to offer and that we will not ***** them to do things for which they do not feel capable, which could only result in a mediocre result.
I just wanted to make my opinion heard by the production team so as not to undergo a radical and catastrophic change of course. THANKS.

Well said.
Bitwrangler
Joined in Apr 2021

158 post(s)
January 8
I am not quite sure why having a more balanced card mix from the XXX models would be seen as a "radical and catastrophic" change. Surely having, say, TWO normal cards and three XXX cards instead of one and four wouldn't be so awful? Because it would be quite an improvement for us normal card fans. And if we got the two best outfits too, that's only fair. 😀
jclown781
Joined in Feb 2008

92 post(s)
January 8
As I've stated and I think it has been a little misinterpreted maybe that's my fault..I don't wish to eliminate xxx content. I only wish that it wouldn't dominate so much of every show. Twenty minutes out of the average 32-34 minutes is just too long. @SupErot I love the idea of extending shows to include more content that would be great. Make them closer to 40-42 minutes average like they have been in years past.
jclown781
Joined in Feb 2008

92 post(s)
January 8
@Philours I get your point but I would argue that more of these models talents have been ***** on xxx shows (and don't get me started on outfits and especially cosplays) then the other way around. Even if a girl can't "dance" they're still gorgeous strutting around, posing, and showing off their beautiful bodies in and out of the various outfits and costumes. Azella to use a recent example was completely awkward and couldn't dance to save her life. But the shows were charming, refreshing and above all she was gorgeous with a perfect little body. We don't need them to be pro dancers to enjoy them dancing it's still more entertaining to me than having her sit in one spot for 5-6 shows diddling herself.
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

3760 post(s)
January 9
@jclown781 wrote:

" @Wyldanimal I will work on that thank you btw. "

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jclown781
Joined in Feb 2008

92 post(s)
January 9
My overall point is I just believe a little balance would go a long way. Instead of table xxx clips that occupy more than half the show only leaving a handful of minutes for everything else. Standing and pole stripteases should be just as important as well as the costume or outfit that the model is wearing should get adequate screen time before the fun begins. Trimming each of the xxx clips by even just a few minutes would go a long way (I think any clip more than 5 min long that isn't a full beginning to end strip is too long) If you don't agree maybe extending the shows by several more minutes could be a solution so nothing will have to be cut out at all. I'm not talking one hour shows or anything but 40-42 min wouldn't be stretching it too far I don't think.
jclown781
Joined in Feb 2008

92 post(s)
January 9
@Wyldanimal HaHa you saw that before I deleted it as it was part of another long ramble that I caught myself doing against your advice :) I will work on it i swear..
SupErot
Joined in Nov 2023

8 post(s)
January 9
I decided to crunch some numbers in order to have some data to go off of. I used table clips rather than explicit clips. Partially because that was part of the original post (table clips don't provide the same type of entertainment compared to standing & pole). Additionally, many cards have non-explicit table clips that are effectively explicit (dildo bj, masturbation without penetration, etc).

I analyzed every show from last month, December 2023:
    • There were 32 cards in total, including the Christmas SEC.
    • The total runtime was 18 hours, 57 minutes. Average of 35m32s.
    • There were 24 explicit and 8 non-explicit cards.
    • Explicit cards averaged slightly longer at 36m compared to 34m for non-explicit.
    • Of all cards, 54% of the time (10 hours, 10 minutes) were table clips. This is an average of 19m per card

Breaking it down further:
    • From the non-explicit cards, 36% of the time (avg 12m12s) was from table clips.
    • These ranged from a low of 27% (e1926) to a high of 44% (e1940).
    • From the explicit cards, 59% of the time (avg 21m17s) was from table clips.
    • These ranged from a low of 41% (f1426)** to a high of 100% (f1454).
    • Excluding the table only card, there were 2 next highest at 71% each (f1397 & f1462).
    • Only 4 XXX cards have less than 50% table. All are over 40% table (or explicit when accounting for the note below)
    • The average explicit card has less than 15m of standing/pole clips.
    ** The actual lowest was 35% from f1428, BUT the last clip is a standing explicit clip with a machine. Including this brings it up to 49%. I used the 35% in the cumulative calculations above though.
dar2112v
Joined in Dec 2007

440 post(s)
January 9
to the delight of those armed with stopwatches.
I have a handful of credits left to spend....

@Ironxside

I stopped buying credits for a couple years while spending down the credits I already had on hand and once those credits were gone I spent another 9 months deciding if I would ever buy credits again. I didn't feel the need to buy credits anymore and just thought of every card as an exclusive card. But in the end I found myself loosing interest in my collection; it's just wasn't as much fun unless I had something to look forward to so I decided I'll buy $100 credits and have been spending them SLOWLY.

Not sure if this would work for anyone else but it's working for me; I'm still supporting the product but at a fraction of what I would like too. It keeps my interested in my collection and still have something to look forward to. Not sure about the future but for now I'm happy to kick in $100 a year for old times sake alone. I don't think DOLZ will be around in a couple of years but if it is then IS probably wont be around. I don't see anyway they can coexist in the long run so I'll never hold too many credits again but $100 I can live with losing if it comes down to that.

If it's all or nothing I totally get that but ***** to lose good members.
goodwolf
Joined in May 2011

234 post(s)
January 9
In the normal card she entertains You. In the xxx card 60% she entertains herself and you are allowed to watch it. I prefer shows when she gives me the attention, a woman can be sexy without touching herself all the times. The word "can" is used intentionally.
wtccs
Joined in Dec 2019

85 post(s)
January 9 (edited)
It's also worth noting that most of the top rated cards on here are non-XXX. Models like Lana Lane, Belka, Gloria, etc are mostly/all non-XXX. Those obviously sell well, or the models wouldn't have been invited back so many times. So I think it goes to show that given the right model/outfit/performance, a non-XXX card can still be a good (if not top) seller.

@SupErot Yes, I was thinking pretty much the same thing. A top model can "get away with" doing non-XXX, I guess. In an XXX show, a girl might be able to get away with being less beautiful or talented or having less personality, as long as she can put on a hot show.

Thank you also for crunching the numbers. That was very illuminating.

P.S. A lot of the early "US Stars" were porn stars and did mostly non-XXX cards. I really enjoyed seeing them do non-porn. I felt like I "got to know them" a little better than is possible while they are doing porn.

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