The forum has done its job and cleared up this misunderstanding - Veronica Leal's SEC sounds very good to me now. Looking forward even more now to the 25 game and I will play that now to progess the bar to the pretty slippy sliding oiled lady.
One more crazy question - does she apply oil during the show or is she pre-oiled? Love to see the models rubbing oils, lotions, creams onto themselves during the show.

I'm sure everyone knows that. The difference is, here we can't touch the girls, we can't smell or taste them, we can't make love with them. The only sense with which we can perceive this product is our eyesight (in rare cases, there is also the sense of hearing). Since most of us (if not all) are not blind, it makes a huge difference.

Back then, I didn't mind tattoos. I think they were less common. I still don't mind if tattoos are discreet, artfully made, present something interesting. However, there are more and more models with random tattoos in random places, made just because "I wanted a tattoo". For me it is no longer attractive, and sometimes quite the opposite - they are ugly and distracting.

Apparently the low rating is due to the card being completely on the table and all segments being sexually explicit. Many users had ***** that this was too extreme with one or two other recent cards. I agree completely.

What are you talking about?
The card has 5 standing and 4 on table clips, without demos. The 4 table are XXX, the standing clips are from no nudity to full nudity.
And the low rating is because it is a SEC. If you look them up you will see that a lot of the SECs have lower ratings compared to the other cards from the same model.

Sorry guys, but IMO, Veronica Leal does not need your kind of help and we do not need disinformation.

@ward666999, well said.

I now see that your point was a different one, namely that a very small minority of people get their money back instead of winning a card, this being done as compensation for their being no cards that could be offered as the prize. I agree that is somewhat unfair in that we few are unfairly well treated as opposed to others with large collections being unfairly badly treated.

Exactly! That is exactly what I was trying to talk about.

If you win a Free Card, you get 15 Cr back because your collection is full.

If one of the very large ammount of members without full collections, including myself wins a Free Card, He/She "wins" 8.80 Cr, which in fact is no win but a loss.

And that to me is unfair. And so we are not "treated in exactly the same way" as you mentioned in your post above ...

However, you got it now and I hope others as well. Excuse my bad English.

Cheers, Santé, Prost and Slontje

@JuppKowalski

I am sorry, I was misunderstanding what you were ***** about.

I thought that you were ***** about is that when very many others, those with smaller collections, win a card that card would have cost them more to buy than the price they payed to play the game while the same card would have cost you less to buy. That I do not find unfair at all - the price paid to play as the same as was the prize. There have in the past been several who have claimed that it was unfair that they as "elite" members were treated the same as the lower ranking members when playing the games and I thought that you were repeating that argument.

I now see that your point was a different one, namely that a very small minority of people get their money back instead of winning a card, this being done as compensation for their being no cards that could be offered as the prize. I agree that is somewhat unfair in that we few are unfairly well treated as opposed to others with large collections being unfairly badly treated. There have been those, alluded to in the previous paragraph, who would claim that this fine and that they should be rewarded even more for their status - I strongly disagree with them.

Daddy is starting to like this pretty young blonde lady. iStripper should bring her back for a take 2 within this year.

Apparently you have not seen Belka's - Hottest Day of Summer show. Or Jenny WIld's - Cumfy Outfit show. Martina Smeraldi has an oil pole show, as does Fanfan and Ariana Van X to name a few. All have oil pole shows. :) Oil does not seem to have been a problem in the past. It also appears on the workshop we will be getting another oily pole show soon. Was actually expecting it out this week. Possibly Mishel Dark. Also some shows don't necessarily have oil in every single clip. Some are half and half.

I'm glad to see it is half and half at least. I would probably buy that, but I won't because it is SEC and I refuse to gamble. So will probably never see the show. It's a shame since I saw the card months ago in the workshop and was looking forward to it. It was really the only card of hers I was interested in this take. But after seeing the preview clip on the workshop was table, my hopes dropped. Then I find out it is SEC. *Sigh*.

Isn't she the loveliest girl ever? 😍😍

Ja! Get every single one of her shows as they come out to prove you love. 😍

You all ought to know that though tattooes change the sense of sight of skin, it doesn't change the sense of smell, touch, and taste of skin. A blind man can make love to highly tattooed woman, and a non tattooed woman, and he wouldn't recall a difference.

All are the best cause Gloria is the best!

Models have actually interacted here on the forum?? Reminds me of the time on the offical Playboy forums from the early 2000s.

Every fucking kind of womens clothing can be labeled as lingier apparently. What they all have in common is that the clothing is minimal, and sexualized.

Everyone has their preference. The young Mia Sun is dear to me, but the more expierenced Gloria, Li Moon, and Sasha Meow know how to erouse the most.

Progressive redraw while ***** on bourbon fun time! Tsar Daddy topped up with the bonus credits from the crazy weeks cause had foreseen that progressive draw was on the horizon, and low and behold it was!

and your winnings at the games are the same as everyone else.

15 Cr and 8.80 Cr are still not the same and never will be, no matter how you try to explain it.

Very Glad I used Joker for Veronica Leal / Slip, Sliding Away_f0790.
Despite people putting out bad info and poor ratings, I knew Veronica would not disappoint.
@RonaldB - Of 12 clips only 4 sexually explicit.

Apparently the low rating is due to the card being completely on the table and all segments being sexually explicit.

@Corax77 - What's with the Table Only comment ? There are 6 standing and 6 table, even split. Veronica is far from boring !
@MacNK7 - IMO the rating is maybe a protest against SEC not Veronica.
@Darkness97 - Pole dance with oily hands ? One twirl and she would be off the stage !
Sorry guys, but IMO, Veronica Leal does not need your kind of help and we do not need disinformation.

Inna Innaki - Talented Tease (My absolute favorite show)

Angelika Grays - Shining in Pink (Second absolute favorite)

Melena Maria Rya - Stars & Stripes.

Aleska Diamond - Dream Experience

Elis - Escort in Paris/Crazy Horse Girl/Feel Me Up

The Red Fox - Scarlet Dreams

Veronica Leal - Special Treatment (Best full nude pole clip I have ever seen). Sadly doesn't seem to be a repeat in her latest shows. :(

Yeah, would have loved to have seen her all oiled up in a bikini during an actual pole dance. Guess I won't hold my breath either lol. Seems like most if not all of her XXX cards this time around were all on the table. The reason I loved watching Veronica is that she had some very creative XXX on the pole in a couple of her shows.... it was absolute perfection. Loved watching her grind her shaven haven on the pole and play with herself during the pole dance until she orgasmed. Sadly no more of that apparently. :(


Was hoping to at least get to see her grind her shaven haven on the pole once more. Guess not.

Apparently the low rating is due to the card being completely on the table...

Another table-only-card? Not a single standing clip for a hot girl in a bikini? That's pretty boring. 😒
I like her but I dont waste a joker for cards of this kind.

Thanks for the info!

A members perspective.

Lets say you belong to a fraternal order club and you pay an Annual membership
with that membership, each year you are a member gives you a better deal on the food and beverages
you get in the club.
you get 10% for becoming a member
and another 5% ever year there after, up to a maximum of 45%
A beer normally costs $2.50, but you can get it for $1.38 with your 45% discount.

That's your membership benefit.
It only applies to the club.

Now once a month they hold a Public Bazaar, the club is closed while the bazaar is going on.
and everyone buys tickets at the same price and uses those tickets to play games and get food and beverages.

Your Membership grants you no special treatment at the Bazaar.
your tickets cost the same as everyone elses, a book of 50 tickets for $5
and your winnings at the games are the same as everyone else.
so too is the food and beverage cost the same as everyone else.
using Tickets to get a beer, costs 25 tickets, or $2.50

At the Next Club meeting you ***** that you had to spend 25 tickets
worth $2.50 to get a beer that you normally would only pay $1.38 for.

You think this is Unfair, and that your membership Benefit should also apply at the Public Bazaar.

Member Benefits only apply IN the club, not at the Public events.

Alina N - Sensitive Spot

Veronica Leal SEC - only 7 votes at the moment - so a couple of really low votes could ***** it down greatly. Angelika Grays SEC from April, all table clips, is her worst rated show too based on fewer votes than any other card of hers.
-----
As others have said, a joker on the progress bar once the SEC is obtained might have got more interested. I am only after those myself, so from July 2nd might need to try the 25 game as that is the only way to win them, not that I ever have on that game. Perhaps the August SEC progress bar will be followed by a joker rather than gift cards?
Of course none of us has to do anything - just enjoy the shows we do have. So that's my plan.

Elya - all clips

I was going through the older duo xxx shows I have and deciding which to keep on my local drive.
Gina Gerson & Summer (Duo 0481) survived the cut for now with their bag of goodies and make good use of them.

Adriana Chechik Red Coral

Why is the new SEC of Veronica Leal rated so low? I must know; no way am I attempting to gamble at this with a 3.30 rating lol

Apparently the low rating is due to the card being completely on the table and all segments being sexually explicit. Many users had ***** that this was too extreme with one or two other recent cards. I agree completely.

Kristina already mentioned absolutely and two shows she did with Dianna - Sweet & Sexy and BFF's - are to me beautiful shows the way they move together. And any show with Gloria I reckon. Isabelle is another favourite of mine.
So many girls to choose from, we will all have our favourites, but some just stay fixed in your mind, even when you have 4000+ shows, so they must be something special.

I'm brand new and haven't bought many cards yet, but so far Belka is my favorite for sexy dancing.

Ahhh.. the great SEC always brings out the BEST in the community. Gotta love it!!

Why is the new SEC of Veronica Leal rated so low? I must know; no way am I attempting to gamble at this with a 3.30 rating lol

Hm, no more jokers, after getting the SEC? So how users are able to obtain joker cards these days? The fact there is no chance to get a joker card keeps me away from gambling.

vous pouvez généralement gagner "joker" au "twenty five", tentez votre chance 😊
you can usually win "joker" at "twenty five", try your luck 😊

So you have all the cards, how can you get Veronica when you can't participate in the progressive game.

Donc, vous avez toutes les cartes, comment pouvez-vous obtenir Veronica quand vous ne pouvez pas participer au jeu progressif.

Vous avez jusqu'au 30 Juillet pour remplir la barre et obtenir la sec. Voyez quel est le meilleur choix pour vous parmi les 5 "jeux" proposés.😊
You have until July 30 to fill the bar and get the sec. See which is the best choice for you among the 5 "games" offered.

Hi Members!

Does the Veronica leal new SEC has any glass clips, the tag "glass" is not present but I have seen that sometimes this tag is missed and added later.

I checked on clips details on isworkshop.eu but the detail is not available yet

any help is appreciated

We're here to help ! https://www.istripper.com/fr/forum/thread/47973/1

So you have all the cards, how can you get Veronica when you can't participate in the progressive game.

@JuppKowalski

You are treated the same as everybody else - it is the initial situations that differ.

Consider a possible TGIF in which Totem offered everybody a 50% discount on any purchases. Would that be unfair to those of us that already have a full collection ?

It's unfair becuaes if you have all the cards, you cannot do anything to get Veronica Leal's card. It littearly says when you click on it that you can't participate since you have all the cards.

Crap, I used a Joker to get the Veronika Leal SEC yesterday and today I see it can be earned through the Progress Bar 😟

Hm, no more jokers, after getting the SEC? So how users are able to obtain joker cards these days? The fact there is no chance to get a joker card keeps me away from gambling.

Begin with the "Progressive Redraw" Promo is so frustrating for me.

You are treated the same as everybody else - it is the initial situations that differ.

I´m treated because of my initial situation, OK. Do you agree that 8.80 Cr are not the same than 15 Cr? I guess you do! So i get treated unfair because of my initial situation. Where`s the difference? Unfair is unfair.

Consider a possible TGIF in which Totem offered everybody a 50% discount on any purchases. Would that be unfair to those of us that already have a full collection ?

What´s wrong with you? Your collection is full and because of that I don´t get the same chances in a game? Lol What the *****? In Football that would be Real Madrid vs OSC Lille. "Treated the same as every club else, its just the initail situation that differ" .Before the ref blows the whistle to start the match its already a 2:0 lead for Madrid because their Cup cabinet is the fullest.... This leads nowhere Emu ...

@TheEmu

Getting 15 Cr and getting 8.8o Cr for the same result is not "exactly the same.

not close to full collection but i agree with this. having less cards definitely gets you better rewards

@JuppKowalski

You are treated the same as everybody else - it is the initial situations that differ.

Consider a possible TGIF in which Totem offered everybody a 50% discount on any purchases. Would that be unfair to those of us that already have a full collection ?

@TheEmu

Strange how something that treats everybody in exactly the same way can be perceived to be unfair, in radically different ways, to different people.

Getting 15 Cr and getting 8.8o Cr for the same result is not "exactly the same". So nothing strange here, same procedure as every TGIF Event ....

Just because it is not beneficial to me does not mean that I find it unfair. Frustrating and annoying certainly, but not unfair.

Just because you, for yourself, do not find it unfair, it does not mean that it isn´t unfair. Anyway, to me it´s unfair and so I do not gamble.

Today 2nd SEC of june has been published...
...would be good not to release more than such a card pro month.

Nearly out of June now, I guess it was either release it this week or next. To fit the calendar it was better this week.
From the TGIF post todays SEC is the card to be played for to the 30th of July. So 5 weeks to get that. Then 30th of July, the next SEC and another 5 weeks to get that one until the 3rd of September. It all fits perfectly well.

@happypizza Hi, yes you will get a gift card each time you will complete the progress bar

Today 2nd SEC of june has been published...
I am ok with SECs. But I also think it would be good not to release more than such a card pro month.

Seems to be a bit unfair on those with full collections.

it it is unfair to those who haven´t full collections.

Or people with 85% plus of the card, since I don't want most of what is left.

Strange how something that treats everybody in exactly the same way can be perceived to be unfair, in radically different ways, to different people.

Just because it is not beneficial to me does not mean that I find it unfair. Frustrating and annoying certainly, but not unfair.

any vr show coming up?

how about any of those I mentioned when I first asked please. https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/45168/10?post=705164

Sent to the production team 👍

Mon vote va à Clara René / Après la carte Loving.

Excellent choix @Bzv021 👍Excellent choice @Bzv021 👍

My vote goes to Clara Rene / After The Loving card.