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TheEmu
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I have just corrected my mistakes about the the axis you need to rotate about, I got X and Y mixed up in the original version of this post)

@Zantiev

In general creating shadows that properly align with those in a background image is very difficult, but there are some simple special cases where the shadow is directly behind or in front of the item casting the shadow.

Let us start by considering a clip as if it was a rectangular playing card standing upright on a horizontal surface. A shadow cast by this by a very distant point light will be a dark parallelogram lying on the horizontal surface and will meet the rectangle casting the shadow at the base of that rectangle. The horizontal width of the the shadow will be equal to that of the rectangle but its height and the angles between its sides will vary depending on the direction of the light source.

To transform the original rectangle into an image of its shadow can be regarded as comprising

    a rotation by 90 degrees (to get it into the horizontal plane)
    a vertical scaling (to lengthen or shorten it)
    a shear transform (to convert it to a parallelogram)

and these transforms are those that would need to be applied if the rectangle is replaced by any flat image (such as that of an iStripper clip).

The first two of these transforms are simple (e.g. Rot: 90,0,0) and a scaling (e.g. scale: 1.0,0.5,1.0) but there is no simple way to do the shear transform.

If the light source casting the shadow is directly in front of or behind the flat object casting the shadow then no shear transform is needed and we can generate a shadow just by applying a vertical scale factor and rotating about the base of the clip by plus or minus 90 degrees about the clip's X axis.

In a 2D scene you can't rotate about the X axis (or about Y, only about Z) but the lengthening or shortening of the shadow can be adjusted to have the same visual effect.

If the light is coming from a slightly different direction then reasonable shadows can still be created by applying a small rotation about the Z axis, but this can never be perfect (think of the playing card approximation where dong this would men that bases of the shadow and the original object would not meet except at a single point).

The above only considers the very simplest cases. To generate realistic looking shadows you also need to consider what happens if the light source is not very distant and is not a point source. To model the effects of these you really need to make the shadow have soft edges and to taper.

The soft edges can be approximated by using a blur filter but the tapering is more difficult. Like the shear there is no way to do it using just .scn file features and you have to resort to using a filter.

I have produced a couple of "shadow" filters - they can be found in the EmuLib "toolbox" - but they are rather difficult to use (at least I have difficulties using them). As with all the EmuLib shaders there are some simple test scenes and I use them in a very small number of realistic scenes - e.g. the Woodland Border scene (which is in the Misc Scenes zip)

Addendum:

The user interface to my Shadow shaders is ***** becaue the parameters controlling it interract with each other in ways that mean that if you set the parameters for one aspect so that it looks OK then change a parameter for different aspect you need to go back and tweak the first set - which is the main reason why using it is not easy. At some point I hope to go back and find a better, more user friendly, way of doing all this - but I have been saying that to myself for a few years now. I also should look into using vertex shaders to perform the required shape transformations.
Zantiev
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@ComteDracula

Lol! I was going to just add shadows in front for the swing and to the rear for the cushion clips but it did not align with the shadows of the background pic but then again maybe I am simply over thinking it. To create shadows for that particular scene, it would have to be back and slightly to the right and I just couldn't figure out how to get the shadows slightly to the right of the clip. I believe the background pic is either too small to set up the camera the way is needed for these scenes or I just lack the skills to do so for now. It's probably something simple that I may be over looking.

I've been experimenting and reading and trying to find a similar scene with the shadow back to the right and I only found one scene so far but the background pic was twice as large then the one I am using which might be the key in resolving this shadow problem. I don't really know as I am only assuming because I tried every single parameter possible.

We are really happy that you enjoyed the scenes our Canadian neighbor. We both luv the province of Quebec for it's fine cuisines and breathtaking sceneries. Before the pandemic we used to go to Mont Tremblant and Saint-Sauveur for downhill skiing on a regular basis in the winter months. Just a gorgeous and friendly Province! It's not called 'La Belle Province' for nothing!

As soon as I can figure out the shadow issue I will update this scene once again lol. Right now I am also learning about how to animate the camera for various zooming angles which could be an asset for these particular scenes to zoom into the girls in the background and on the swing. So we just may make other scenes for this 'Treehouse' series. Not sure yet! lol

We just want to fix all of the scenes we submitted so far then move on to new scene creation. We learnt a lot through this whole messy process and we will be better organized when we release new scenes in the near future.

So thank you for all of your input and the inspiration as it is greatly appreciated. Big Hugs!!💕

@ComteDracula

Lol! J'allais simplement ajouter des ombres devant pour la balançoire et à l'arrière pour les clips de coussin, mais cela ne s'alignait pas avec les ombres de l'image d'arrière-plan, mais là encore, peut-être que je suis tout simplement en train de trop y penser. Pour créer des ombres pour cette scène particulière, il faudrait qu'elle soit en arrière et légèrement à droite et je ne pouvais tout simplement pas comprendre comment placer les ombres légèrement à droite du clip. Je pense que la photo d'arrière-plan est soit trop petite pour configurer la caméra de la manière nécessaire pour ces scènes, soit je n'ai tout simplement pas les compétences nécessaires pour le faire pour le moment. C'est probablement quelque chose de simple que j'oublie peut-être.

J'ai expérimenté et lu et essayé de trouver une scène similaire avec l'ombre à droite et je n'ai trouvé qu'une seule scène jusqu'à présent, mais la photo d'arrière-plan était deux fois plus grande que celle que j'utilise, ce qui pourrait être la clé de la résolution ce problème d'ombre. Je ne sais pas vraiment car je ne fais que supposer parce que j'ai essayé tous les paramètres possibles.

Nous sommes vraiment heureux que vous ayez apprécié les scènes de notre voisin Canadien. Nous aimons tous les deux la province de Québec pour sa cuisine raffinée et ses paysages à couper le souffle. Avant la pandémie, nous allions régulièrement à Mont Tremblant et à Saint-Sauveur pour faire du ski alpin pendant les mois d'hiver. Juste une province magnifique et amicale! Ce n'est pas pour rien qu'on l'appelle 'La Belle Province' !

Dès que je pourrai comprendre le problème de l'ombre, je mettrai à jour cette scène une fois de plus lol. En ce moment, j'apprends également à animer la caméra pour différents angles de zoom, ce qui pourrait être un atout pour ces scènes particulières pour zoomer sur les filles en arrière-plan et sur la balançoire. Nous pouvons donc créer d'autres scènes pour cette série "Treehouse". Pas encore sûr! mdr

Nous voulons juste corriger toutes les scènes que nous avons soumises jusqu'à présent, puis passer à la création de nouvelles scènes. Nous avons beaucoup appris tout au long de ce processus désordonné et nous serons mieux organisés lorsque nous sortirons de nouvelles scènes dans un proche avenir.

Alors merci pour toutes vos contributions et l'inspiration car elles sont grandement appréciées. Big Hugs!! 💕

ComteDracula
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@Zantiev,

Please don't put any pressure on yourself. It's ok like this. Watching the 4 Treehouse scenes gave me an idea. The chainsaw on the floor wasn't a bad idea either. It's just that putting the two different images of it makes for more variety.

I'm from Quebec. If there is one place where the Catholic religion has been strong it is here.

We've been able to get rid of the domination of it, and that's a good thing. As they say, religion is personal. It should not be a straitjacket.

So no fault, no excuse to be made on your part.

For the shadows, as I said, it's not bad if you can't do it.

If you really want to apologize, I'll forgive you if you add the Quebec flag (Obviously this is a joke). 😆



@Zantiev,

Surtout ne vous mettez pas de pression. C'est correct ainsi. La vision des 4 scènes Treehouse a permis de me faire une idée. La tronçonneuse au sol n'était pas une mauvaise idée non plus. C'est juste que de mettre les deux images différentes de celle-ci fait plus de variété.

Je suis du Québec. S'il y a une place où la religion catholique a été forte c'est bien ici.

Nous avons su nous débarasser de la domination de celle-ci, et c'est une bonne affaire. Comme on dit la religion c'est personnel. Ce ne doit pas être un carcan.

Donc pas de faute, pas d'excuse à faire de votre part.

Pour les ombres, comme je le disais ce n'est pas grâve, si vous n'y arrivez pas.

Si vous tenez vraiment à vous excusez, je vais vous pardonnez si vous ajoutez le drapeau du Québec. (Évidemment c'est une blague). 😆
Zantiev
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@ComteDracula

I tried my best with the shadow issues and I just couldn't figure out how to position the shadows to the right side of the bottom and the swing clips to coincide with the shadows of the background pic which is why I omitted them entirely from the scenes. Shadowing the swing clip was a complete nightmare for me and I just couldn't get the right angle for the life of me let alone trying to locate the shadows for the swing clips lol. But I'm working on it once again and as soon as I can figure it out I will submit one final link for these scenes.

You are right as it would definitely give these scenes more realism . I repositioned the chainsaw back to it's original position for the treehouse 2 scene and left the chainsaw on the ground for the the other treehouse 2b scene.

Something told me to keep that chainsaw on top of the stump for original treehouse2 scene but I never listen to that inner voice lol. After all of these years you figure I would know better by now. lol

Just when I thought this Treehouse series was finally completed lol. That's fine back to the drawing board. Man do I ever regret sharing all of the scenes I did all at once. Sandi was right! I should have just submitted one at a time. It's more stressful correcting all of the mistakes within a certain time frame than it was creating the scenes with no pressure. But that is part of the learning process and I've had made all kinds of rookie mistakes so far hehe and I have learnt so much from my big mess and for that I am truly sorry! Wait! I'm not suppose to be apologizing every time I mess up! Strict catholic upbringing and I think it's just a Canadian thingy partly due to our Canadian government continuously reminds us that we are less than who we truly are and should always apologize for our mistakes. I noticed my European and American friends never apologize and don't even acknowledge the word 'Sorry' lol. I was born in the wrong continent lol.

But I will do my best to figure out this shadow dilemma once and for all. Stay tuned more updates coming! lol



rtigerpaul
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Zantiev
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Hello Everyone!

This is the 'Treehouse series' with 4 scenes:

We extended the lower deck as there were some dancers going off both sides slightly. We also changed the font to blue instead of red which is much easier to read on those wooden planks.

So for 2 scenes we kept with the outdoor theme 'with/without tree' and besides the 'casual' category for the 2 top dancers we added bikini, students and sports to the category keeping with the outdoor theme.

There are also 2 scenes with/without tree that have absolutely no restrictions whatsoever which only makes sense, this way we can see all cards including the previews.

We also did some fine tune-ups to make this 'Treehouse' series finally completed.

We wanted to sincerely thank @HombreSimSombra for helping us to make this series complete. He taught us to not only focus on specific themes but to also add scenes with no restrictions to give it some variety so that all members can enjoy all of their cards with our scenes. His wisdom and ideas inspired us to turn this into a 4 scene series. He also fixed the chainsaw scene which looks amazing!!! We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your invaluable assistance!
Much Love and Big Hugs!!💕

So just let it overwrite all files and you should be good to go. We put a lot of hours into this one to finally make it feel completed. We apologize for the previous updates and all of the mistakes we have made. I guess it's part of the learning process.

We learnt a valuable rookie lesson when it comes to creating scenes and we can't thank @HombreSinSombra enough for opening our eyes.

So here it is! We hope you will all enjoy them as much as we have enjoyed creating them!

Treehouse series link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FhwqYJqjGjNDwC8KwMVUANy6NFeO8WnR/view?usp=sharing


Thank for your understanding and patience! Big Hugs from the both of Us!!💕

ComteDracula
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