Hi Community

Have you looked at the ratings recently?
Well there certainly is a trend there and that is the continuing extinction of cards rated 9 or above.
Today only 9 cards are left.
I kind of saw the logic behind it when this was the Morgane Show here and only cards above 8.99 were on special.
But that changed now and still its going on.
2 cards less since that bug has been fixed.
If someone who has downrated his cards reads this please give an explanation why its a good thing to eliminate 9.* rated cards.
I'm really puzzled about this.

Backlash. I didn't change any of my ratings to try and ***** what cards went on special, but I believe in my heart of hearts that that is what happened. And it doesn't look like anybody is changing the ratings back. Oh, well. I never relied too much on the ratings anyway.

Exactamondo tio! Since the ratings have been polluted by the ***** & downraters they are almost totally bogus as true measurements of babes/cards popularity!(at least on the top tier) It is a broken system and needs to be replaced with a new 5 star system available only to those who have bought the card! PERIOD!
Totem needs to tighten this up against, what seems, a darker aspect of human nature!
The "browse girls" page should have a disclaimer on it..

"Ratings may not be what they seem due to the leaky system that allows people to dishonestly ***** them by rating cards they have not yet seen. Believe them at you own risk"

I rely more on pics, descriptions, (such as they are, limited, sometimes)& trailers along with my own excitements!

Well i used the ratings when i compared the different cards of one model. But of course i still used my own eyes to make the final decision which card to buy. But what i don't understand is why that downrating seems to continue now that the special offer system has been fixed. Thats what i want an explanation for.
Of course plasonic you are right its stupid that people who don't own a show can rate it.
I didn't do that. At least very seldom. You already know about me downrating California Suit so no sense to lie, but i corrected that by now. I haven't even rated all cards i own. So why should i rate cards i don't own?

If you have not purchased a card there is no way that you should be able to rate it.....

I completely agree!! How can you truly rate a show you haven't even seen?...

Well we are getting a little off topic here.
That the ratings should only be possible for a card you own is a fact almost everybody agrees on and there are multiple threads full of that.
What i would like to know is why the ratings are dropping like flies although the special offer bug has been fixed. I thought thats the reason for it, but that seems to be wrong now. So what is the reason for it? Thats what i wonder about. The rating system as faulty as it may be hasn't changed as far as i know and the card quality probably hasn't changed too. So what is the reason for the ongoing extinction of the 9.* cards. Thats what i like your opinions on. Thanks very much.

Yes it would be good to hear a passionate manifesto from dedicated downraters as to why (we know the need to control the availability of "non-Morgane" cards...but...)But why continue, what do you feel when you do so, power, control, "monkeywrenching"(just messin' up the system)??
Somehow I don't think this will happen (prove me wrong) as they are by nature "hide in the shadows folk", commandos of reactionary re-setting.
There was a lot of ***** & helplessness manifest in their attitudes & actions..
Ahhh Human nature!
But...tell me more....

Maybe..... just maybe, Totem team is started to clean rates from non owners.... ;) .... and clean them step by step, to not totally break the current state of the chart :) , also it will not be easy and fast task to delete all of milions rates of non-owners for every single card... that means for example 3 250 000 000 records from database (6.5 mln users * 500 cards)... wow it become really big number, surprising even me :) .... who knows, just a speculation from me :)

hm well that could be an explanation. Would be great too. But normally first the possibility to rate card for non owner would have to be removed because otherwise you get new ratings while your cleaning the old ones. Which means you have to clean up again.

Well, mine never go down anyway. Sometimes they even go up. I usually rate them immediately upon purchase. For me, almost all of them have a 9 or above. Perhaps the large boob girls might get an 8 because I prefer the small ones, but they pretty much all get good ratings from me. I do have to rate the black girls severely low because I just don't get into them as with the largest percentage of white guys, but in general, mine all get super ratings anyway.

Haha... good point starryk :)

well, i work with databases and if we find a program is entering wrong data into the database we first fix the program and after that the wrong database entries.
@wildone: no reason for me to rate black girls severely low as you put it. I'm also not a fan really of them but i rate the show on their performance so they mostly get an 8 or 9 if they're good. Ok no 10s here but i think thats ok. The worst rating i ever gave was a 5 for Nadine and i stand by that rating because if you don't want to strip you just should not do it instead giving the viewer the feeling you're being ***** to. But now i also get off-topic too.
So nice theory mvpsome but not really likely. Other ideas?

Ok here's a suggestion for totem, implement a five star rating system like youtube has ( based on poor, fair, good, really good, and awesome.) And whoever votes, members, non members, and freeloaders will be able to vote once and only once, anyone voting again will should have an indicator such as "you cannot vote more than once" or "Already voted" and will be further blocked from voting again on the same show. They should take that into consideration when they re-vamp the rating system.

To be only vote once wouldn't be a good system ... at least for me. I frequently come to the conclusion that some cards had been rated too low or too high by me and I would like to be able to change that in the future.

Well Starryk, I just give my total opinion on everything about the shows. When it comes to something like strippers or any exotic type of performance of such a kind, there is actually a little more emphasis on your own preference of the girl's appearance than if it was just for performance only. (Example: T.V. awards or something.) It's simply a preference thing, that's all. Sort of like when going to the nude bar, you usually pick the hottest girl first. As far as the system in general goes, I'm not sure, but maybe people are just changing their votes as they feel another another girl looks hotter on some other day or something. I don't normally change my votes, but I think that's why people are changing them if that's what they are doing. For the most part, as I say, I think they mostly are all super.

I am not convinced about the trend.

I don't believe that were ever that many 9+ cards out there. The better new cards usually end up 9+ as users who like the model buy new cards and rate them high (well they liked them). Over time, I believe that more people who have a wider rating scheme and/or get them randomly vote and vote 9 or lower bring nearly all the totals down.
A few more of Morganes were possibly 9+.

Morgane is the only 9+ model.
Ariel and Jenni Gregg and Jana Cova and Melisa and Eufrat (2nd set) are all close. Sandra H and Viki and Eufrat (1st set) and whole host more follow on. Overall the state of the table does not appear to have changed much.

Too many users get Californian Suit as their first card, and Golden River is a marketing card. Lots of users first girl think wow. 10. This skews their results. Good cards... but really not that good.

if there were many 9+ cards or not is not a question of belief but of fact. I always got the Browse Girls Section sorted descending by popularity. And a week ago 12 card had a 9+ rating. Now its 9. A week before that it were even more. If i remember right Sandra H Sensual Silk was a 9.09. Ariel Fiery Girl at 9.01, Melisa Hot Waitress at 9.04. Vicky S. Strip Club at 9.01 (that one was an special offer then).
So the trend definitly is there. The only question is what you believe to be the reason for it.

About a week ago there were over 30 cards rated 9+. Nevertheless, I tend to agree with SexyAgent here. New girls/cards tend to get an initial boost from fans and then fade as more people rate the cards overtime.

Besides the ratings ***** discussed in other threads, I believe an additional factor in the rating slide is that hundreds of members are buying the same cards at the same time due to the specials. This leads to a rush of new ratings for these cards. Many of these cards are overrated and members are not necessarily going to bestow knee-jerk 10s just because they got the cards at a discount. I've given a number of cards bought on special extremely low ratings because the girls and or performance in fact held no real appeal for me. One can still feel ripped-off even at the one-ticket price.

well it weren't 30 cards definitly not(maybe 3 weeks or a month ago) but if it were how can you then agree to SexyAgent if the number sank in a week from 30 to 9. Has that ever happened before so its just normal fluctuation? No.
But you may have a point about the cards on special though i would have expected the opposite effect. Jana H is rated so high because all start with her trailer when they join. So the more people own a card the higher it should be rated. But if youÄre right the opposite is true.
Decided to document the extinction from now on.

With more people buying the card at 1 ticket, seeing it as one they didn't want to spend the two on, watched it, didn't think it was a "9" than ranked accordingly ? I'm just saying When people pay the two tickets, it's usually a dancer they really want and like, so they're rating will be high (presumably.) But if it was 1/2 price maybe some people bought it who didn't have the built in effection for Morgane and ranked such.

Just agreeing with the glass half full approach..

It was definitely 30+ cards when the specials started and for weeks after. I know because I was waiting for many cards following TRex's announcement and was thus closely watching the 9+ cards. All of Morgane's cards were rated 9+. Others included Diane Doll, Vicky S, Sandra H, Jana H, Lucky, Monica Scott, Jenny Gregg, Jana Cova, Ariel, Natali Blond and Stacy Silver.

I've discussed elsewhere the fake accounts and ***** used to drive down the 9+ cards and boost others. I wouldn't expect these people to change their ratings now just because the specials have finally been broadened.

Accounting for different tastes, I think the more members that own a card the more that card should sink towards an average. The average is probably in the 8 to 8.5 range.

I rate all the cards I have. If I get a card via subscription/specials and I don't like the girl/performance my rating can go to zero. This is not true when I pay 2 ticks for a girl I know I already like.

@Strarryk
my theory is that not 2 many people keep up with what is going on in the forums and thus people are still downrating cards and since the fix from totem, some might think that they had an effect and are still doing it
it would be great if important messages from totem would end up right on our software and not just on the forums like a new tab on the software
what do you guys think?

I don't think that's it, I think dannorex and amber hit in the spot. If it's on special people not likely to buy it will and when they do then there is a greater chance of it hitting the average.

I've bought some specials that i didn't want to spend 2 ona nd they turned out good. I also bought some highly rated specials that i thought sucked.

In my opinion all the Morgane cards were overrated and the ratings were ***** by her fan base. To me Morgane was that one girl at the party everyone fell head over heels for and you simply can't understand why. Big boobs yeah but nothing else to offer, plain Jane.

I'm glad to see Morgane's cards drop off from 9+

ok, that could be it too. So a combination of people who haven't heard the news and people who rated their special offer buy worse.

@Ambler: I agree it were that many but not anymore 1 week ago. If i remember it right it were like 13 or 12 when the new cards came out.

Well, i will keep an eye on it and continue to document that phenomenom from now on. My guess is we will end up at 7 9+ cards and 5 will be Morgane.
We will have to see if it stops there.

This happened before. There was an "anti-Morgane" downrating that just about knocked most of her cards out of the top ten last year. Then after it was over she naturally came back to her dominance as a natural effect of the fact that she is just about perfect physically and does a basically good striptease dance!

The ratings have been a rollercoaster but this site has always maintained at least 18+ girls rated 9+. Then the special started and girls were dropping quickly. I looked up one day and there were only 9 girls rated 9+ and 7 were morgane.

From 30 to 9 within 2 weeks is drastic change. And it isn't the flavor of the wek new girl either. Lately the new girls are rated 8 or below seconds after they are offered (except morgane, melissa and jenni). When those 3 have new cards they stay at 9

did say not much on this thread because if i do rate on a card i see no effect on the number what is given to that show.
So not only this one but more other members do not understanding the far underrating for Chems or Ariel pár example.
Well... Morgane is really very good and all her shows are special and worth a 10+ but with Bianca there is now another great performer and i guess that will be a race between the 3 girls ~including Jana H~ ;-)

Well, I will admit it I downrated girls on special to and uprated others to raise about 100 girls ratings to try to help other users get more specials. I also hadn't rated over 2/3 of the girls. I am changing them back, now that totem has lowered the cut-off.

I think the rating system is flawed and recommend:
1) Only users that have full shows should get to rate those shows.
2) assigning numbers, whether 0-10 or 1-5 will naturally cause a lop-sided system to higher ratings.
3) Instead, recommend that full shows be placed in order of preference (ie. the show a user likes the best get the first spot, the card the user ***** the most get the bottom spot, etc.) and the system uploads from the program or the website profile 1-2 times weekly during (hopefully) slower/inactive times from each area of the world.