Zafira wins......

Zafira 11

Kari 10

Zafira now faces Blue Angel

Starts now 12:00 P.M. Central European Summer Time (Paris Time Zone)

Zafira's ladder position is 41, her current winning streak is 9

Reminder.......

For the time being, pictures are not allowed in this thread so DO NOT post pictures with your vote.

Thank You

Zafira

Zafira 11

Kari 10

People,

Please draw a breath and calm down. There is a touch of hysteria coming in here.

There are comments that the fault comes down to:

• Last 50 posts
• Hot topics
• Any topic that receives numerous posts is a problem
• I don't use last 50 posts, so I don't care about it
• I don't use hot topics, so I don't care about it

So far, the only one trying to walk a reasonable line is WA.

Yes while a filter to block out threads that you aren't interested in might solve the problem for some, in not the panacea that some suggest. Plus it may not be easy to develop with the resources that Totem has available.

What I find intolerable, is the growing lack of tolerance amongst many of the most vocal posters and that is from both sides of the campaign. Now that is not going to win me friends from either side of the "debate" or to be more honest the argument.

But if a bit more tolerance was given, maybe the angst would reduce?

So take a chill pill please.

15 pictures? i dont know about those. Never heard of them.

by vip notdeadyet - 2 day(s) ago
Certainly be nice to know which have cage clips so they can be avoided
and Swing clips so they can be selected.

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I think avoiding a card because it has a couple swing or cage clips might cause you to miss out on some great cards.
but to each their own..

with VIP status, you can selectively disable those clips.

But In another thread. Members have asked for Selective Clip Downloads.
Especially with the Size of the Files and How Much space is needed.
Then you would be able to Download only the clip types you like and not download the ones you don't

type 64 means that the Model or something else Leaves or Enters from the Side of the Screen.

Example. She Takes off her top and tosses it off the Side of the Screen.

In Early cards it was also used for task bar clips if the model was off screen or went off screen in front of or Behind the Task bar..
It is NO longer used for that type of clip.

Only if something Enters or Exits the Screen from the Side.

Kari!

Kari 10

Zafira 10

kari

Kari 9
Zafira 10

WA I have had the hey stop posting your art, your spamming chat ;)
what did i do??????
I stopped out of respect for other users and created a place where people who wanted to view my art could go and enjoy it without disturbing others. and just posted on a very limited basis that updates were online on my website ;)

Now why don't the little groupies from the Ladder do the same and go pay for a website where they can happily post night and day, day and night

whats her face 20009 thingaymejig 50150 and whosyadaddy gets knocked of the bottom rung.

if this is what floats their boat ;)

sorry but I really think too much time is be given to this whole situation, I have seen other members given timeouts for over posting photos or artwork, is about time, this thread was also given a timeout IMHO

The last 50 is most definitely flawed and has been since the beginning of time, it would not be the first time this has been brought to totems attention, in fact the mods were given a larger last 50 just to help combat this issue if i remember correctly, yet we are now 2 years down the line and the last 50 remains flawed and Totem remain quiet, and no change is in sight so those who have had enough speak out.

no doubt this whole issue will again go quiet for a while and nothing will be changed and in another year or two years we will be back here having the same conversation about the same thread and still nothing will be accomplished ;)

Vixen01,
Of course we are good Friends..

and I agree with the Complaints about the Last 50 being taken over.
but that is because of the way that tool is Designed.. It is doing exactly what it was designed to do..

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Message Rules

5.To disrupt the normal operations in the Community or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other participants;

Not being able to use the last 50 posts in the way in which it was designed, negatively affects all users that want use this function but cannot because it does not give a proper overview of what has been posted, the hot topics also do not do this either, all they show are the topics with the most posts!!!
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If we were to enforce rule 5 simply based on a thread has taken over the last 50.
we'd have to close most threads soon after they open.
If a thread becomes popular, it will Always take over the last 50.

So that becomes very Non-Forum friendly..
Don't create anything that will be popular, because it will Disrupt the use of the last 50.


If I consider the Last 50 as a tool to use. Then I have to look at it, That the Tool is flawed. It is Doing exactly what it was designed to do, but that makes the Tool not Useful enough.

I look at it, that I should then design a better tool.
Not ***** the Popular threads to stop because it interferes with my tool.

"Hey! Stop posting in that Thread, because I can't find anything else in the last 50!"

"Hey! Stop Posting your art, because it Floods the last 50!"

"Hey! Stop posting the Jokes, It's Flooding the last 50!"

"Hey Stop posting in the Beta threads, because it's flooding the Last 50!"

If you Take the Last 50 out of the Equation..
Dose the Activity of the threads ***** the T & C?

So the cause of the Complaints is not really the Action in the Thread, so much as is it, the Last 50 becomes a tool that is no longer useful.

Zafira

Zafira 10
Kari 8

I have tried from my 1269 cards to create an overview of how many cards have certain types of clips. In the overview, only the cards of VirtuaGirl considered (axxxx). There are still a lot of cards that I have not in my collection.


It is also possible that some of this cards are not have correct type or level.

A example: type 1088
1024 = top of screen
64 = in / out

I have testet this clips but I don't have see "in / out".

Cute Bunny Little Caprice rides Dong after some oral Pleasure

http://tinyurl.com/okxt3bb

Linet A & the british actress and TV host Amanda Holden

Kari

Kari 8
Zafira 9

Zafira...I think she's a better performer.

Zafira.9

Kari...7

Zafira

Zafira 8
Kari 7

WA we are friends but we have never agreed on this and probably never will, however unless the situation is dealt with instead of swept under the carpet and ignored, the complaints will continue and members will get more and more annoyed.

you enjoy the thread as you enjoy another thread that frankly gets on my nerves, if the forum had a proper structure to it then your enjoyment would not interfere with my enjoyment and visa versa.

I got complaints about my posting cards and pictures so I stopped at the time flooding the last 50 with card and picture updates, invested in a website to appease those I was ***** of, self moderation!


T&C's, well my interpretation of those is that this particular thread is breaking the T&C's and this new thread to discuss the situation is proof enough of that.

Message Rules

5.To disrupt the normal operations in the Community or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other participants;

Not being able to use the last 50 posts in the way in which it was designed, negatively affects all users that want use this function but cannot because it does not give a proper overview of what has been posted, the hot topics also do not do this either, all they show are the topics with the most posts!!!

WA,

Re: Sometimes I have to take a step back and Ask.. Is it SPAM?

I agree with your message. I wish we could find a middle ground to make more people at least comfortable in this matter.

Sometimes I have to take a step back and Ask..
Is it SPAM?

Sure I see no Point to it.. To Me it is just a never endless thread...
I've also voted and contributed a few times..
But It's not what brings me to the forums..

the Voting, the Pictures, the Current ladder posts all flood the last 50..
But is that SPAM?

There is a group of members that do Enjoy this Ladder.
Some Come to the Forum just to play the ladder..

So what I personally see as not Interesting and a never ending thread..
is SPAM to some...
and Others have a real Enjoyment of it.

I like to read the Best Inventions Thread..
Others see it as pointless rubbish that doesn't belong on a PORN Forum.

Dose that Make it SPAM?
Does that mean it should be closed?

It's tough.. I have to step outside my Personal feelings and look at it

Does it ***** the T & C? What about it Violates the T & C?
If the Complaints are because it Floods the Last 50,
then maybe it's the Last 50 that is Flawed..
and not that the Thread Violates the T & C..

Any Active and Popular Thread will Flood the Last 50..
is that what makes it SPAM, because it takes over the last 50?

Someone brought up the 3 word game..
That ***** the last 50..
Was that SPAM, or just members having Fun?

It's tough to decide which threads need to be Moderated and which ones don't.

But if you step outside your own Personal feeling, and judge just by the T & C
Maybe you have a different view..

Gotta go with Kari.

Zafira-7
Kari-7

If only some people had taken notice of this in its very early stages when some of us tried to stop it before it went too far we would not have the need for this discussions now, would we ;)

Hebasu you are a friend however I must say I disagree with you

There are two choices

Close the thread

or

take notice of those of us that say structure of the forum needs looking at instead of saying our thoughts are invalid.

This is Totems forum and it is their Job to decide what ideas are relevant and what are not, and it is about time REX made an appearance here and took note, he wanted a forum now he needs to run it as most other forums are run, where SPAM is not tolerated

Zafira

Zafira 7
Kari 6

Kari

Zafira 6
Kari 6

"My question is: if you close it what is to stop someone else from starting another one and another. Better to compromise and let it run it's course."

What would stop someone else fromm starting another, would be nipping it in the bud before it got off the ground, as the Ladder should have been at its inception.
The Ladder was OBVIOUSLY going to be ongoing forever, but NOTHING was done at the beginning to head it off at the pass.

Now it has trundled along for so long, giving the impression that IT is as near to "Fun" as anyone is likely to get. Consequently, any complaints/objections are treated as party pooping...

Personally, I'm glad I will never be sad enough to regard putting two names down as "fun"...but that's just MHO.....

Rarely has a thread warranted so many complaints, and occasioned so much animosity, without ANYTHING tangible having been done about it.

One definite change that is necessary, as has already been suggested, is the introduction of a Visible "End of Tunnel" to the whole "game".....preferably with more sensible regulations regarding future continuation.

Surely even hardcore participants can appreciate an acceptable saturation point, where enuff is enuff !...

That was a general statement for all and not directed at any One member.

Easy! On the tone. I was only adding to the conversation. But your posting of the terms and conditions is very appropriate in this case. My question is: if you close it what is to stop someone else from starting another one and another. Better to compromise and let it run it's course. Yes? no?

I feel this needs to be mentioned. It's part of the Terms and Conditions.

Our members must also respect the spirit and tone of our community. Breaking these terms and conditions which includes failing to respect the spirit and tone of the community or postings/ emails which demand a disproportionate amount of time and moderation by the Community Team may result in your account being suspended or, in extreme cases, banned. The length of suspension will be at the discretion of our team and can be permanent.

The "disproportionate amount of time" thing applies to threads as well. In the past, moderators have not hesitated to close threads that have become disruptive and caused a lot of time to be spent dealing with them. Even if they were seen as 'about' to cause a disproportionate amount of time to be spent, they could end up closed.

Now......As a Mod, the way I see it, the Ladder has already caused way too much time to be spent trying to deal with it's disruptive nature. It remains open for now so the members operating it have a chance to make the necessary changes before changes are made for them. On that note.......Personally, as a member, I've never agreed with ANY thread having more than one member running it.


Structure changes need to be made to the thread. Not the Forum !!


With that being said, as far as I'm concerned, any suggestions made by members that require even more time to be spent by Moderators and/or Team Members will be considered invalid.

Virt4B,SpaveInvader, JayZ971, MattBFreq3,darkcloud, all share similar sentiments to mine. so I'll spare everyone a rehash and long posting.

• I don't use the 50 last posts (I prefer hot topics)- but acknowledge it's problem
• I like the white list/black list idea
• could the 50 last posts be further subdivided like the hop topic list
• the voting is the only thing that has made me a regular user of the forums, before that it was 6 months to a year before I would even look at it. Had no reason to visit VG unless there was an update and then only when I absolutely had to.
• I think the ratio of users VS complainers should have some weight in the end decisions. You can't please everyone, majority rules and all that. That said, there is still no reason compromise or middle ground can't be found.

My suggestion is to finish the ladder game. New rules should be put in place to speed up the process in which girls move up or are kicked off. If the purpose of the ladder game is to rank girls from best to worst, then it should end, it is only logical. No need to change the forum itself or anything else. Finish the ladder.

Zafira

Zafira 6
Kari 5

Kari

Zafira 5
Kari 5

this one is pretty hard - I like Kari's performances a lot and I would like to see both higher on the ladder but this time it's Zafira's run so I vote for her

Zafira

Zafira 5
Kari 4

@boom90

For the time being, pictures are not allowed in the thread, so please DO NOT post pictures with your votes. This goes for ALL voters !!!

JayZ971

Kari today.. so Zajira 4 Kari 4 tie match.

The virtuagirl ladder competition is the only reason i go to the forum and if you close it like you want to do because of 3 or 10 unhappy members ( don't tell me there are hundreds ), i will rarely go to the forum again. (sorry my English sucks and this is the reason i won't elaborate more in this thread) thank you.

Zafira for me
Zafira -3
Kari -4


Edit:
Pics Removed

Kari is one of my top favorites, so my vote is for her!

Kari - 4

Zafira - 2

This is what I said yesterday & my thoughts on the situation:

"I believe we should be able, along with voting in this thread, be able to have a bit of banter and humor in this thread, along with posting the odd picture here and there. It is not as though this thread is like those continuous “The Girl with the most finest tits on VG and DB ” & “Most stylish/beautiful backside” picture threads.
I also enjoy seeing the stats member84392371 puts up every now & then as well. I think if we take away all the fun elements in threads like this members will loose interest and start not to visit the forum as much. I’m sure Totem doesn’t want that!
I think there should be encouragement to post as this is a forum after all and that is what it is for, it is here to voice your opinions and ideas & have a bit of fun within the forum rules. I think too many unnecessary rules like not being able to post the odd picture that is related to the thread, or no talk/banter between votes would spoil things a bit."


I also said I would say no more about it, but now there is an actual "Ideas" thread for the Ladder I would just like to add a couple of things.
For me this Ladder Competition is more than just a game, it has introduced me to models I hadn't previously come across like Chelsea French and Alina who are now amongst some of my favourite girls. I don't know if other members have looked at it the way I do or not?
I also think that the forum as a whole will not change when it comes to new features and filters. The idea of filters is a good idea but I cant see it happening. I would suggest myself to have an option included like "Subscribe to Thread" so you can follow your favourite threads from your profile page like other forums provide, but I cant see this type of thing happening as the forum to Totem, although a key part in customer service etc, probably isn't the main focal point of developing their business. Their product and software is!

When it comes to the "50 last posts", I do use it as it comes in useful for getting me to the latest posts in threads quicker instead of having to trawl through extra pages. On occasions I have been annoyed with topics overflowing the "50 last post" thread. For example, the thread recently on the last "Beta" version for the software (which I have no interest in) which had quite a lot of interest from other members. I realised thought that this "Beta" thread is an important part of improving the software and I just had to suck it up and move on. I think that's what we all need to do, just accept the forum for what it is and deal with it. Yeah there could be some improvements here and there but on the whole, and with a bit of self moderation on top of what the moderators do as well, it works and is fine as it is!

'nuf said! :-)

Re: "Bumping" a thread

I suspect that is a very subjective judgement and is really about the intent or presumed intent of the poster. I don't think most people post to a thread just for the purpose of increasing the message count. On the other hand, it may look that way to others. I don't see a way to look inside other people's minds about this. Trying to police this issue must be very difficult for the moderators. If I were in their position, I'd tend to be very linnet and that would result in continuing complaints. My response is to ignore this problem since it seldom bothers me.

On just a few of those points......

"Select 1 Moderator who would communicate with the authorized persons" ??

Not going to happen.


We don't delete threads. Only close them. In the odd event that an account becomes hidden, any threads opened by that member will disappear from the forum.

We're currently working on closing threads that have run their course such as Auctions, Casting and Outfits. We will be continuing to do so. Possibly expanding that as well.

Just so you all know......
Questioning the authority of the Moderators and asking that The Team step in when Moderators are involved in a thread issue is not taken very well.

Zafira

Zafira 2
Kari 3 :))

Kari for sure!

Zafira 1
Kari 3

Kari

Zafira 1
Kari 2

Kari

Zafira 1
Kari 1

Some thoughts........

For me, I've rarely used the "last 50 posts" thread in the forum. Didn't have much use for it, but others do so I do see that problem. Yesterday after starting the challenge, I went through the current casting models that I haven't commented on yet. (I'm very, very happy casting for both sites is going again) After that, I did check the "50 last posts" to check how it looked, get a sense of what others were seeing.

As for a separate thread for the rules & current ladder, that would be a good idea but I have concerns about it.

As the current way the forum is set up, this option is only good if it could be setup to be only updated & then closed so no one could post on it. This only is a Moderator's function. The Moderator's should not have to do this as I think they have much more other important things to do in the forums. It should be only by the thread starter or other persons authorized to do so, like SpaveInvader or myself. If this option is ultimately the one selected, I would like to see the Moderator's discuss & select 1 Moderator who would communicate with the authorized persons to accomplish this. So we could streamline the process & have a constant voice between Moderators & members.

As for the forum usage, I think a filter on the hottest topics could be an option. To me it would work like E-mail, where you could select the topics you don't want to see. Then you would delete them & the hottest topics would refresh. You could go from there. I do realise this would not solve the "last 50 posts" but this would be another option. As the Team, Moderators & beta testers are working on the newest version of the software, maybe this could be the next project.

As for bumping the thread, to me threads that are in use everyday in my opinion are not being "Bumped", the ones that have not been used in a certain time & then "brought back to life" are being bumped. Maybe in the future, the Team & Moderators can discuss limits to put on threads. Like in the casting forum, when a model is in the studio to be filmed, her casting thread should be closed at that time & maybe deleted. For others that have "run it's course" like polls and such, after they are done, close the thread & possibly delete them. In my opinion, any thread that is dormant after 6 months should be closed & possibly deleted. Any function that lightens the moderators workload would be a good thing.

As for "picture dumping" in my opinion there has been dumping by by members who do not participate in the thread, trying to get a certain girl in the competition. As for the voting members, I don't think it's necessary to post pictures with your votes but I do not have a problem with it. It could turn into a "picture war" which is not needed. This probably needs to be a "all or nothing" approach. Either allow pictures posted by voting members with moderating by authorized persons with possible votes taken away for "dumping" or no pictures allowed period.

As for comments & "banter" yes I'm all for that in voting as long as it does not develop into personal attacks. To get a person view on why they vote the way they do is interesting.

I would like to hear from Rex & the Team on what they think about the competition & these ideas in general. Maybe they have ideas of their own.

Thank You for taking the time to read this,

JayZ971

So, the solution is that since I don't care about the structure of the website and I want to keep on with that against anything and everything, all the users should lose the website features. And users that do use the forums for other stuff should just endure the onslaught.

No other thread has 7940 posts and 159 pages in 448 days. And no other thread ever caused these problems and none ever should again.

The forum is like it is, unusual use of the forums does not mean to ***** Totem to make unusual changes to acommodate problematic threads.

The idea of filtering threads is that old and has been ignored for so long that I doubt there's any interest in that. But guess we can wait two more years to see if it finally materializes into something. Of course, if it does, so good, but likely not till this blows up one way or the other. Just cause "social behaviour" is now just a tea house in China.

So far I'm not seeing any argument but "cause I want to and I don't care" and not even a slight recognition of the problematic nor the minimal empathy for the needs of others.

Zafira

Zafira 1
Kari 0

I recall a while back where an old thread was dusted off, posted in and it started getting a lot of posts. A group of us were having a bit of fun poking at each other. Something about three words. The people posting in it were having a good time........Fun.

It started to get really active for a bit. Then it took the top spot in the Hot Topics away from The Never Ending Ladder. At that point, a bunch of complaints starting coming in about how senseless it was......How it was making no real contribution to the forum and people were saying it needed to be closed because it was dominating the forum.

If I remember correctly, those complaints were coming from Ladder regulars. It was a campaign to stop the competition.

as Virt4B said, i never used the last 50 post thread. for me it's useless.

so, when you mind to close the ladder thread, than you fairly have to close much much much more threads....