Bonjour à tous. Je viens de lire vos post sur ce topic et je ne comprends pas toutes ces discussions car au bout du compte c'est NOUS qui décidons de jouer ou pas Totem ne nous met pas le couteau sous la gorge pour nous contraindre à jouer, si NOUS décidons de jouer c'est NOUS qui prenons nos risques il n'y a donc pas lieu de NOUS plaindre si nous perdons. En effet @Socialhazard "mais quel jeu étrange ou pour gagner il ne faut pas jouer"

Hello everyone. I have just read your posts on this topic and I do not understand all these discussions because at the end of the day it is WE who decide to play or not Totem does not put a knife to our throats to ***** us to play, if WE let's decide to play it is WE who take our risks so there is no need to ***** if we lose. Indeed @Socialhazard "but what a strange game or to win you must not play"

This is not true for those, who decide to get the SEC cards.

In this case, Totem ***** people to play, with high probability of losing credits (money).


Ce n'est pas vrai pour ceux et celles, qui décident d'obtenir les cartes SEC.

Dans ce cas, Totem ***** les gens à jouer, avec de fortes probabilités de pertes de crédits (argent).

at the end of the day it is WE who decide to play or not Totem does not put a knife to our throats to ***** us to play, if WE let's decide to play it is WE who take our risks so there is no need to ***** if we lose.

To this, I also agree

Bonjour à tous. Je viens de lire vos post sur ce topic et je ne comprends pas toutes ces discussions car au bout du compte c'est NOUS qui décidons de jouer ou pas Totem ne nous met pas le couteau sous la gorge pour nous contraindre à jouer, si NOUS décidons de jouer c'est NOUS qui prenons nos risques il n'y a donc pas lieu de NOUS plaindre si nous perdons. En effet @Socialhazard "mais quel jeu étrange ou pour gagner il ne faut pas jouer"

Hello everyone. I have just read your posts on this topic and I do not understand all these discussions because at the end of the day it is WE who decide to play or not Totem does not put a knife to our throats to ***** us to play, if WE let's decide to play it is WE who take our risks so there is no need to ***** if we lose. Indeed @Socialhazard "but what a strange game or to win you must not play"

But for me when I use my credits, I still realize that they cost me money.

In reality they costed money to you in advance - when you did buy the credit pack -, not when you spend them.
Anyway, anyone has right to his own sensations and feelings, of course.
And with this we maybe could put an end to this endless discussion 😉

Peu importe, en effet ce que l'on fait de ses crédits, mais ils sont la.
Effectivement, ils ne sont pas remplaçables par de l'argent, je ne conteste pas cela ni le règlement de totem.
Mais pour moi lorsque j'utilise mes crédits, j'ai encore conscience qu'ils m'ont coutés de l'argent..
Cela est indissociable dans mon esprit. Peut-être que pour certains cela n'a pas d'importance. Heureux hommes 😊
C'est tout ce que je voulais exprimer.
It doesn't really matter what you do with your credits, but they are there.
Indeed, they are not replaceable by money, I do not dispute that nor the regulation of totem pole.
But for me when I use my credits, I still realize that they cost me money.
This is inseparable in my mind. Maybe for some it doesn't matter. Happy men 😊
That's all I wanted to express.

I received 200,000 credits. Woauw great this idea 😊
But with that I get the whole iStripper collection and so I don't have to buy any more credits anymore. So that makes a difference for totem.

An indirect, theoretical and just probable difference (there is also the possible case of a person doesn't spend at all the credits he gained, or of a game ***** who spends them all again in games - and there is also the possibility one would not have bought any more credits anyway), not a direct, automatical and sure one on their wallet.
Anyway the absurd jackpot was on 1st exemple, not on the 2nd.

In all cases, Totem did earn 49.90 euros from me in advance, when I bought the credit pack. Whatever can I do with my credits, makes no difference to their wallet.

Oui, totem a encaissé 49.90 euros et j'ai reçu 200 000 crédits. Woauw super cette idée 😊
Mais avec cela j'obtiens toute la collection iStripper et je n'ai donc plus la nécessité d'acheter d'autre crédits. Cela fait donc une différence pour totem. Voila ce que j'appelle gagner 😎

[quote] In all cases, Totem did earn 49.90 euros from me in advance, when I bought the credit pack. Whatever can I do with my credits, makes no difference to their wallet. [/ Quote]
Yes, totem collected 49.90 euros and I received 200,000 credits. Woauw great this idea 😊
But with that I get the whole iStripper collection and so I don't have to buy any more credits anymore. So that makes a difference for totem. This is what I call winning 😎

Now, I agree that this is what is known as a "legal fiction"

Not totally, I would say. It implies very much concrete things.
If credits would have monetary value, a member could for exemple say "Totem, I just won at Slot Machine a mega jackpot of 200.000 credits. As I use to pay credits 0,1996 euro/credit, now Totem you owe me 39.220 euros" - which he never will able to, instead, since he did suscribe T&Cs explicitely stating that credits have no monetary value.
It's legal matters to rule the world, rather than the opposite.

Other exemple: I buy a 500 credit pack. What can I do with them?
1. Absolutly nothing. I keep them forever without using them
2. I use them to get iStripper shows
3. I spend them in games and win a SEC
4. I spend them in games and loose them all
5. I spend them in games and win a jackpot
What are earnings (or loses) of Totem in each one of such cases?
In all cases, Totem gets (nor loses) absolutely NOTHING.
In all cases, Totem did earn 49.90 euros from me in advance, when I bought the credit pack. Whatever can I do with my credits, makes no difference to their wallet.

@Socialhazard

Here is the Yoga Room :)

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1vOVabhvC4hXJX2O2iX6Nj_9_6uV84H8z

We are talking about the cost

No, you have beeen ***** the cost and the monetary value.

When you play the games nothing of monetary value is involved in any way - this is explicit in the terms and conditions that you agreed to.

Now, I agree that this is what is known as a "legal fiction", but nevertheless it is the actual situation no matter how we feel about it.

As an example of how important this can be consider the situation with respect to Pachinko parlours in Japan. Quite coincidentally I recently heard a radio program which described this and it is also described in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachinko

In particular see the paragraph that begins

Gambling for cash is illegal in Japan, but the widespread popularity of low-stakes pachinko gambling in Japanese society has enabled a specific legal loophole allowing it to exist.

This, of course, is not the same with as the iStripper games - but my point is that the "common sense" view is very different to the legal view.

Clarification: I meant to write in my post above "progress bars" and not "progress cards". Sorry for the mistake.

Précision : Je voulais écrire dans mon message plus haut "barres de progression" et non "cartes de progression". Désolé pour l'erreur.

Dictionary.com

Gambling:

1. The activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.

2. The act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly.

@matthieu21

As to the topic. A vague idea of the odds are sometimes shared by members. Some of the scratchers are not bad win wise especially when compared to actual scratchers. I would advice having an idea of how many credits you don't mind losing and spend that or not, rather then assuming odds.

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?" - WarGames 😆

Or just do what @Zawan and mostly I do. 👍 😎

"That's why I personally prefer to buy the cards I want directly. I rarely play these games unless I really want a SEC card. By doing this I am rarely disappointed."

@matthieu21

En ce qui concerne le sujet. Une vague idée des cotes est parfois partagée par les membres. Certains des grattoirs ne sont pas mauvais en termes de gains, surtout lorsqu'ils sont comparés aux grattoirs réels. Je conseillerais d'avoir une idée du nombre de crédits que cela ne vous dérange pas de perdre et de le dépenser ou non, plutôt que de supposer des cotes.

"Un jeu étrange. Le seul mouvement gagnant est de ne pas jouer. Que diriez-vous d'une bonne partie d'échecs ?" - WarGames 😆

Ou simplement faire ce que @Zawan et surtout moi faisons. 👍 😎

" C'est pourquoi je préfère personnellement acheter directement les cartes que je veux. Je joue rarement à ces jeux, sauf si je veux vraiment une carte SEC. En procédant ainsi, je suis rarement déçu."

Traduit avec www.DeepL.com/Translator (version gratuite)

Conclusion:

Totem makes us buy credits with our money to get their cards and play games, for those who want to.

Totem has all our money in exchange for them. Totem is a winner.

They have created a discount system, so that those who buy the most pay less credits (our money). A kind of loyalty system, which can also create an addiction. The consumer, who manages well his credits (his money) and Totem are winners.

They have created games of chance, to spend credits, often unnecessarily, which ***** people to buy other credits (our money), to buy cards that would have been obtained without these games. They take advantage of these games to sell cards under the guise of discounts, which people would not have bought. Totem wins. The customer often loses.

They have changed the nature of the SEC card, which was originally used to buy all the cards of a month, into a hook, which can mostly be obtained only with games of chance. Games where the probability of winning SEC and Joker cards has decreased. Collector customers who have the whole collection, risk losing a lot of credits to get them, so a lot of money. In addition they have created progress cards, which is absurd to make us spend for a free card, not exchangeable for an SEC card. Totem is a winner.

I may forget, but basically Totem collects all our money in exchange for credits, and it does not always give what the customer asks for, even if it means that they always pay more, if they participate in their games. As we all know, gambling games are mainly at the service of those who organize them.


Conclusion :

Totem nous fait acheter des crédits avec notre argent pour obtenir leur cartes et jouer à des jeux, pour ceux et celles qui le désirent.

Totem a tout notre argent en échange de ceux-ci. Totem est gagnant.

Ils ont créé un système de rabais, pour que ceux qui achètent le plus paient moins de crédits (notre argent). Sorte de système de fidélité, qui peut créer aussi une addiction. Le consommateur, qui gère bien ses crédits (son argent) et Totem sont gagnants.

Ils ont créer des jeux de hasard, pour faire dépenser des crédits, souvent inutilement, ce qui obligent les gens à acheter d'autres crédits (notre argent), pour s'acheter des cartes qui auraitent été obtenus sans ces jeux. Ils en profitent dans ces jeux pour vendre des cartes sous l'apparence de rabais, que des gens n'auraient pas acheté. Totem est gagnant. Le client souvent perdant.

Ils ont changé la nature de la carte SEC, qui au départ servait à acheter toutes les cartes d'un mois, en hameçon, qui ne peut pour la plupart du temps s'obtenir qu'avec les jeux de hasard. Jeux dont la probabilité de gagner des SEC et des cartes Joker à diminué. Les clients collectionneurs qui ont toute la collection, risque de perdre beaucoup de crédits pour les obtenir, donc beaucoup d'argent. De plus ils ont créer des cartes de progression, qui a d'absurde de nous faire dépenser pour une carte gratuite, non échangeable pour une carte SEC. Totem est gagnant.

J'en oublie peut-être, mais au fond Totem récolte l'entièreté de notre argent en échange de crédits, et il ne donne pas toujours ce que le client demande, même si cela implique qu'ils paient toujours plus, si ceux-ci participent à leurs jeux. Car on le sait, les jeux de hasard, sont surtout au service de ceux qui les organise.

I'm obsessed with So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish. Coincidentally played the ***** out of it just this morning.

I understand completely this thing. Every now and again there is a song that just hits me and I have to play it several times. I wish I could write something like that. Songs in general are often vague and probably a good thing too. If you knew what some songs were actually about you might then ***** them. Music and especially the song lyrics mean something special to the listener. Maybe it takes them back in time to an event in their life. Or maybe it is just the thing they are feeling now. How the times are or should be. Whatever the case just try asking an artist what their lyrics mean. Anyways, just my opinion.
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No problem @Number6

Ok, nice. 👍

Sweet Flirt 👍

@wrightsayswow

😆 👍

Oh wait, which Gloria show is that?

My car may need more than one round of cleaning.

After sitting on the drive for 7 hours after Alexa Tomas did her magic on it, of course it needed more from lovely Gloria. 😆😍

Cool, thanks @Number6 but the Nici Yoga link is broken. I don't know what the format was for sure, may have to try this 7z though. 👍

Sorry - I can't help with that.

Cool, thanks @Number6 but the Nici Yoga link is broken. I don't know what the format was for sure, may have to try this 7z though. 👍

Thanks @Stanston for the regular zip file of Carwash. 😎👍

Can you get the Nici Yoga room one from @Carstrip and regular zip file? I don't know him so afraid to ask.

Anyways, glass clips are pretty damn awesome! 😀😎👍

@Sociialhazard

You could just install 7 zip

https://www.7-zip.org/

It is completely safe and free. No advertisements, no malware.

I've used it for years.

As well as its own 7z format, it also works with normal zip files and rar files (unpack only).

😆 👍

Mary Popiense
Cherry Mary
e1654 - iStripper

😍 Totally collecting all her shows. 😍

I'm still here! And was testing that new BDSM tag which seems to work and I seem to have 29 such shows, including Chems here in her 2008 show called Demonia. I think she is a little miffed that we kept her waiting so long. 😆

Maybe we need more of the regular crew over there. I dunno who all went. 😕 😀

@wrightsayswow 😆👍

I don't have a problem with Discord, but I haven't found the discussions on there to be compelling enough to attract me to check it frequently.

I guess whatever happens the discussions can continue on here, I think many on Discord are too busy playing their online games. Apparently iStripper server now has over 2000 members, but only 112 have ever posted a single message. I've been using both, so having double the fun - I'll probably get in trouble for having too much fun. 😀
Perhaps they will send a girl round with a whip, thigh high boots and well you know. 😆

Thanks @Stanston for the regular zip file of Carwash. 😎👍

Can you get the Nici Yoga room one from @Carstrip and regular zip file? I don't know him so afraid to ask.

Anyways, glass clips are pretty damn awesome! 😀😎👍

I don't have a problem with Discord, but I haven't found the discussions on there to be compelling enough to attract me to check it frequently.

For my part, when I buy a show, I have the feeling that it is part of my money that I am using. Not you?

Not at all. My feeling is that I did already spend my money once and for all earlier, when I did buy the credits.

Juste une vision différente des choses. Les termes et conditions de totem sont juridiques pour leur sécurité mais rien d'autre.

Alors pourquoi donnes-tu ton avis?

Because it's not my opinion, it's what company explicitely states and you (would) have to fully agree to in order to use the software.
Moreover, basically it's you two who are making a discussion contesting T&Cs you did sign and agree to, not me...

That is their cost, not their value.

Oui leur coût c'est bien cela. On est dans un fil sur la probabilité de gagner
On parle bien du coût
Yes, their cost is that. We are in a thread on the probability of winning [/ b]
We are talking about the cost
Je connais le cout de ma collection iStripper mais sa valeur???
I know the cost of my iStripper collection but its value ???

So, theoretically there could not even be a discussion about such a matter.

Alors pourquoi donnes-tu ton avis? Reste en dehors de la discussion.

That is their cost, not their value.

Et l'ami! je te dis gentillement mais redescends sur terre!

That is their cost, not their value.

People who ***** the two concepts often come to wrong conclusions.

(credits have no monetary value) a

Et ça là haut c'est quoi?

Je peux te dire que c'est tout sauf du virtuel!

😆😆😆😆

Vous ne payez pas Totem quand vous obtenez un spectacle. Pensez-y bien. Vous ne payez vraiment Totem que lorsque vous obtenez des crédits. Quoi que vous fassiez avec de tels crédits (acquisition de cartes ou jeux), Totem n’obtient absolument RIEN.

Pour ma part quand j'achète un spectacle, j'ai le sentiment que c'est une partie de mon argent que j'utilise. Pas vous?
Le reste n'est que rhétorique. Vous feriez un bon avocat si cette discussion devrait exister 😉
Remarque/ les haricots sont censés représenter une valeur nulle qui ne s'achètent pas. Une monnaie de singe si vous préférez, mais ceci est une autre histoire 😊
Juste une vision différente des choses. Les termes et conditions de totem sont juridiques pour leur sécurité mais rien d'autre.

For my part, when I buy a show, I have the feeling that it is part of my money that I am using. Not you?
The rest is just rhetoric. You would make a good lawyer if this discussion should exist 😉
Note / beans are supposed to be zero value which cannot be bought. A monkey coin if you prefer, but that's another story 😊
Just a different take on things. Totem terms and conditions are legal for their safety but nothing else.

Totem accepts this transaction for the purchase of his shows, of course.

Not at all. What transaction for getting a show? You don't pay Totem when you get a show. Think at it well. You really pay Totem only when you get a pack of credits. Whatever then you do with such credits (card acquisition or games), Totem gets then absolutely NOTHING. It's totally fictional, monetarily speaking.
When you get a card there is NOT any transaction.

Credits are bought with your money, never forget this

Ok. And so? Beans also are bought with your money - but that's doesn't mean them to be money.

Anyway, exactly same things I say (credits have no monetary value) are explicitly stated by Terms and Conditions which you have to agree and sign to, in order both to join and to make use of iStripper software.
So, theoretically there could not even be a discussion about such a matter.

Mais de toute façon c'est bien de votre argent dont il est question!
Les crédits s'achètent avec votre argent, n'oubliez jamais cela 😉

Exactement et il n'y a rien de virtuel au niveau de la monnaie, c'est le compte en banque qui se vide et rien d'autre. La différence entre iStripper et un casino c'est que dans ce dernier il y a un service de sécurité.
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personne n’accepterait jamais un paiement, un chèque ou un transfert en haricots ni en crédits).

Totem accepte cette transaction pour l'achat de ses spectacles, bien sûr.
Le reste n'est que discussion d'hommes de loi.
Mais de toute façon c'est bien de votre argent dont il est question!
Les crédits s'achètent avec votre argent, n'oubliez jamais cela 😉

[quote] no one would ever accept a payment, check, or transfer in beans or credits). [/ quote]
Totem accepts this transaction for the purchase of his shows, of course.
The rest is just a discussion of lawyers.
But anyway it's your money that is at stake!
Credits are bought with your money, never forget this 😉

Oui, oui, oui la liste des favoris peut s'allonger au fil du temps, bien sûr 😛 Mais par fidélité : personne ne sortira de ma liste! 😆😆💚
Yes, yes, yes, the favorites list can grow over time, of course 😛 But out of loyalty: no one will leave my list! 😆😆💚

Yes some cannot choose just one favourite model, some choose a few they really adore, for many it varies over time as new models appear, and others say they cannot choose, they like them all. For me I like many of them very much, but have completely fallen for Gloria even though it is now some years since she appeared here. Melena Maria Rya is certainly very high in my list too and it is nice she has so many shows over six years. Lots to look forward to for newcomers. 👍 In fact lots to look forward to for all of us - Got so many shows, not watched so many of them and a new one everyday. 😉

Ya pas à dire c'est la danse des canards et ça m'a l'air plutôt boiteux!
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@Stanston yes good idea - putting the files in another compression format. Thanks.

And those wonderful boobs are indeed Gloria's! Her Glorious Gloria show ❤️

Si demain je peux jouer chez iStripper avec des haricots, à ce moment là ce ne sera plus un jeu d'argent.

It's already like so (it's a gamble, but not a money gamble) now with credits.
Credits just are same of beans - you can of course buy beans (and also credits) using money, but they are no money since they have no monetary value (you can not change them back in actual money, nor anyone ever would accept a payment, a check or a transfer in beans nor in credits).

I guess I can't use it computer won't recognize 7z files but no big deal.

Wait some minutes, and i think @Carstrip wouldn't mind that at all so please be patient.

Now it's a regular .zip File please let me know if it works now for you.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1tC1EZIG9ZkelNIIUDKcx-s_jyp15wJoK

I agree with @HansSachs on this issue.

Although "common sense" tells us that the same rules should apply to games played in a cassino and to the iStripper games this is a false argument because what is important are the laws and how lawyers interpret them.

When we signed up for iStripper we agreed to a clause in the terms and conditions that stated that we agreed that the credits had no monetary value. Whether this is enough to explain why iStripper is not required to quote odds is not something I have any knowledge of, but it certainly changes matters. The important logic to apply is that used by lawyers not that of similarity with something else.

The argument "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck" is not one that is often relevant as far as the legal system is concerned, and it is what is legally required that is the most important consideration.

@Stanston I saw that thank you for the help and the answer to the "boob" question :) I guess I can't use it computer won't recognize 7z files but no big deal. Apparently I saw that link last year and tried it already got a few of the member created scenes but just can't do certain ones including that one so I forgot about it.

Quand je tape sur google "définition légale du jeu d'argent"

=> "Les jeux sont d'argent et de hasard lorsqu'ils reposent : ... Ainsi, l'article 2 de la loi 2010-476 prévoit « Est un jeu de hasard un jeu payant où le hasard prédomine sur l'habileté et les combinaisons de l'intelligence pour l'obtention du gain »"

Si demain je peux jouer au casino avec des petits pois, à ce moment là ce ne sera plus un jeu d'argent.

Si demain je peux jouer chez iStripper avec des haricots, à ce moment là ce ne sera plus un jeu d'argent.

Les conséquences individuelles avec ces "jeux d'argent", ne se situent pas au niveau des gains quelle qu'en soit leur nature mais bien au niveau des dépenses individuelles d'argent et rien d'autre.
Pour rappel: Le thème de ce fil tourne autour des chances de gagner (Pyrrhon-d'Elis) face aux dépenses (des crédits et pas des haricots).

@jcclown781

whoever designed that one well done..
Anyway just had to mention that car background is really cool going to grab it if I can.

If you scroll slightly up the page you will get an Answer for your Question and the Scene as well.
And the Boobs are the ones from Gloria.

That car background is pretty neat nice job whoever designed that one well done..would be nice to see some random glass clips once in a while soon. Btw @wrightsayswow just curious who's boobs are you using as your avatar? Would've immediately thought Gloria but they're just a little bit bigger than hers..im gonna guess.. Stella Cox? Anyway just had to mention that car background is really cool going to grab it if I can.