I have never 'got' why Jana H's California Suit card is rated so near the top all the time except maybe that it seems to be the first card that new members get. I have all but 1 of her cards and think it is just a very average show compared to say her Ideal PA card or particularly the Naughty Girl card which I score an easy 10.

Also as a couple of people have mentioned Mai in this thread..firstly I really like asian (japanese especially) girls and although there is nothing wrong with her looks I think generally she gets quite high marks due to being rather more explicit than most if the girls. I have read comments alluding to this regarding both Marie and Mia Hilton and I'd like to say anyone thinking that is obviously wrong as both those girls are utter babes :)

Yes, it would be boring if we all thought the same....

@raymondo64
Yes - good points well made.

@Ambler
Good ideas - who knows, perhaps Totem will do something along those lines when they revamp the site soon. I'm not holding my breath though.

@kinnow
I completely agree with you about Jana H's shows. For me she is one of those girls who's shows vary from absolutely fantastic to well below average. I also think Naughty Girl is easily her best, and although California Suit is far from her worst, I don't rate it THAT highly either. I think the inordinately high ratings it gets is almost certainly a result of it being most users first full show.

The most overrated by far is MORGANE , followed by the fake red-head Ariel , the seriously skinny and homely Eufrat ,and thunderbutt Lucky.
A couple of days ago I would have added Natali Blond to the list but I am slowly becoming a fan . Natali is a dish !!

I personally think susan is way overrated, and I know it is because she is very explicit, but the faces she makes are just the furthest thing from pretty in my opinion, they need to pick 5 catagories and then show the rating in a poll like manner, here is a sample of what I think would be a good rating system

1 2 3 4 5
Looks O O O O O
Dancing O O O O O
Explicit Content O O O O O
Outfit O O O O O
Overall Rating O O O O O

@Gabbygirl

1 2 3 4 5
Looks O O O O O
Dancing O O O O O
Explicit Content O O O O O
Outfit O O O O O
Overall Rating O O O O O

By Looks I take it to mean attractiveness of face/body . I think another category should be added :
Call it Personality which would encompass all of intangible elements of her performance .
Does she enjoy what shes doing
Does she make meaningful eye contact
Does she get it!!!

OK - I think it's time I revealed who I was referring to originally when I started this thread. I imagine quite a few people are not going to like this, but it's what I genuinely think.

Morgane - A very beautiful young lady, but her performances are pretty run of the mill in my view. Explicit certainly, but that's not enough to raise her cards much above average. Although her shows are worth owning, I don't think they deserve to be rated among the best on vghd by any means.

Natalie Blond - Again she's an absolutely gorgeous girl who is very appealing to look at and who tends to be very explicit. I find her performances boring and repetitive, however, and her shows certainly don't deserve the consistent high ratings they get in my view.

Well...To me, there are really no overrated girls because this is all just our opinions. It's not as if there are a certain same set of criteria that we all agree to use as our quantifying & qualifying judging & rating of the cards/girls. Except for the fact that people can vote for a card unseen, which I find detrimental to the overall effectiveness of ratings,the ratings reflect whether & how much people like the babe/card. If folks like the effect of Jana H pouting, strutting, & showing the goodies, then it's a hit! If they think Elya jerks around too much and doesn't show the goodies, it's not. I am sometimes surprised by some of the dissing that goes on in the name of judgment ("this is so") that is really only opinion ("I think,for me, this is so").
So the true question is: Who do you like & don't like?
Let's be honest, many of us are here ultimately to get off. So the true criteria are : Who is the most effective at getting you off? Why? Who doesn't "work" for you? How? IMO.

@plasonic
Everything you say is absolutely correct. What I find a little irritating though is that Totem seem to give some girls preference over others (more shows, greater frequency of special offers, more prominent in advertising, e.t.c) apparently based solely on their overall rating. Understandably to be honest, since ratings no doubt have a significant effect on sales.

Given that, can you honestly say for instance, that Morgane deserves consistently and significantly higher ratings (and the apparent preferential treatment that comes with them) than say Karina who is just as attractive if not more so, and a much more energetic and enthusiastic performer?

I would love to see girls like Karina, Marta, Carmen Gemini, Trisha and quite a few others come back to do more shows, but they won't be asked because their ratings aren't as consistently high as the likes of Morgane.

If you do a search of the forums you'll find an overwhelming majority of the people looked forward to the return of Morgane's shows. Back by popular demand?
You could try to start a thread to promote your favourite...;)

Guys & girls,

kep up the discussion, but keep in your mind as you post, that these are your own opinions as a number of members have noted.

So why you may feel that an individual model/card has been rated too highly as opposed to some others, just take a bit of care in how you express it.

If you choose the wrong words, you run the risk of insulting another member who thinks highly of that particular model.

Just about everyone is being careful, but a couple of posts may have been a little too close to the line. SO just have a think before you hit the "submit" button. Especially true when we use slang words, that may be understood differently around the world.

Alizee, Bernadette,Camilla,Carla Pacini,Chiara,Davon Kim,Jewel,Lucie T,Mitsouko,Susan, plus some others that I have not downloaded any of their cards and likely will not.

Since the rating system is being like this from the beginning, it's surely functional for the company the way it is. I don't find too much value to the raiting now, but it certainty influenced my firts purchases as a newbie here. That's cool, cause i got some fantastic shows then and i didn't felt disappointed. After watching many shows, your can compare and you become more demanding and more observant of the details. I guess that's the moment when the raitings, high or low, become somewhat irritating for some.

So, maybe it's not a full remake of the raiting system what is needed, but an additional feature that reflect the opinion of those who own the shows. The danger is to have very different raitings for the same card and that could be ***** for the newcomers.

Maybe for the card owners a simple option would be to recommend "yes or no" a card, and when the approval is high or reach an standard, an icon (a star or something) appear on the card as an "Owner's choice". (:

@Oquijan
Great idea. I think something along those lines would help a lot.

@shodan084
I wasn't saying that Morgane didn't deserve to make more shows. I was just saying that there are quite a few other girls on vghd who's performances merit a return visit just as much, but who seem to have been overlooked due to the emphasis Totem seem to place on an imperfect ratings system

@spacephantom-To answer your question, yes I can say that Morgane deserves the consistently higher ratings that she gets. This is not to dis any of the other babes here just, for me, a statement of "fact" regarding Morgane! My purpose here is NOT to tout her over others but to show example of how she gets to be highly rated. If you took her apart, any of her bits, i.e. legs, ass, tits, face, hair,feet, back, etc. would stand on their own as near or perfect.Her sum is greater than her parts so she gets 9+ on beauty/sexy as a given by most raters (allowing for individual "taste"). Allowing that her stripper dance is erotic, tempting, relatively creative,with personality, (albeit a tad less than spontaneous but none the less real & effective)& that she "shows the goods" a lot, she is an amazingly "full package"(and a just about guaranteed "get you off girl" if that's yer need).She's too iconic in her sexy beauty to be rated lower.No one yet has a "fuller package" to "out phenom" her here!

Well, we know which girls are far overrated and purchasing only cards from models what looks interresting to us.
By the way; qua performance at the job Jana H should be at top of ratings but since only 'very explicit' girls getting full 10's the real good performers of vghd are all far underrated.

Fazit: Please Totem Team change the rating-systeme.

Have a good day all :-)

@plasonic
I just can't see the appeal of Morgane above others girls, so I have to disagree with you. I would take a good guess that if only users who actually own the shows were able to rate cards, Morgane's rating's wouldn't be quite as high as they are and she wouldn't stand out from the crowd. She would just be another girl with another good solid bunch of cards for us to collect

I'm actually encouraged a little that Melisa now has the top rated card though and that Morgane no longer stands out quite so much. Whether I think Melisa's work is THAT good remains to be seen, since I haven't had more than a quick look at her shows yet.

@LuckyRene
Yes - let's hope Totem take some notice. No matter what anybody thinks of the girls I chose as examples, I think the consensus of opinion is that the rating system could do with some improvement.

I ***** to say it but I kinda agree with @spacephantom. Morgane has that persona about her in which she somewhat expresses that "okay, we all know I'm hot so enjoy what I do while it lasts . . . " IMHO

Melissa on the other hand may very well know she's hot however she truly aims to make those viewing her performances have a good time via her vivacious energy, and consistant engaging expressions throughout.

With Morgane, I feel like I'm just another punter at a strip club. Melisssa makes me feel like I'm watching a friend perform more than just another hot performer.

@spacephantom--That's OK. I wasn't trying to "talk you into liking her" I was just trying to show how it works(to my mind) with her cards being consistently high rated.
Interesting that you mention Melisa. I find her shows wonderful & that she can seduce me to orgasm without doing the complete "show her goodies alot in a sexy way" SOMETIMES. But there is the limitation, "SOMETIMES"! I find that I am often "left hanging" frustrated & if she would just do the explicit showing that Morgane, Jana H, Jen Max, etc. do, then with her bubbly personality, loveliness, creative, "into it" dance moves, and her incredible ass,she might challenge Morgane in the phenom aspect.(Morgane still has the iconicly perfect body 'tho).
For me, lovely & explicit with just OK moves/dance ALWAYS beats out great moves & poor explicits! (Unless something about the babe fires my imagination=Dorothy, for example).
Enough!
I say "Rate with 1 to 5 system, Totally ban non card owners from voting.Expand yer fantasies!

@plasonic
Good - I'm glad we can agree to disagree as it were. I think the difference in our point of view boils down to the fact that, as far as vghd is concerned, I do value dance moves, personality, grace, skill and agility on the pole, e.t.c, just as much as the girl's look and considerably more than explicitness. In fact overly explicit shows tend to put me off a bit.

There are plenty of other web sites where you can see see naked girls showing off the intimate parts of their anatomy. That's why vghd is so great in my opinion. You get a lot more for your money than just that.

From your comments and those of raymondo64, I'm now really looking forward to having a closer look at Melisa's shows. I just hope I'm not setting my expectations too high ;-)

Actually Ray Ray...I think Morgane is a bit shy and is, like many young girls, slightly overdoing what she knows is sexy to overcome that in her self!
Like an actor not sure of her ability just overacts a tiny bit to try and be effective and you can see the "push" in the performance.Due to her iconic beauty & moves this doesn't affect my appreciation of her (or some other babes here)enough to bother me.
I haven't billed her for psyche services rendered but....I need an extra job...soooo...
"Come over & lay on my couch Mz. Morgane...."

By the way folks, I don't go to strip clubs ever since I looked around me at one with guys shoving $20.00 bills into G-strings and getting LITTLE back for their $$$. I thought-"Geeze, these dudes are mistaking their $20's for their sperm!" THAT seemed so silly that I've never been back...(Now to be fair that was before private room lap dances...)
So now with VGHD I have my private room "almost lap" dances-some shy babes but others...er...complete!

Plasonic, Hmmm . . . a different take than what my jaded and cynical mind could conjure up while operating on early Pacific time.

You may very well be right. whatever it is, there's a slight aloofness to her, very subtle but enough to allow Mellisa's card to surpass her. (and rightly so . . . IMHO)

And the strip club remark, I totally agree with. Many a time, I have found men, whether unknowingly or not, being exploited by SOME of the dancers there. Once in a while, the rare times I've gone to such a club, you meet a very rare gem in which the girl connects with you and, if you're being dealt a harsh blow in life at the time, for that instant at least, one can REALLY cherish being at least temporarily, treated like a king . . . ;)

Good observations and comments buddy.

jana h is pretty overrated to me...

@honkytonkwoman
I would tend to agree with you. Although I think a couple of Jana H's shows are absolutely fantastic, the rest seem pretty run of the mill to me.

Most members that buy a card read the comments and note the rating.
This effects their buying habits. 4 of my friends that I got to try vghd bought cards based on ratings and comments and avoided the bottom ones. If a girl wasn't too skinny and 3 or 4 people commented the card had good explicit susan bought it.

People that post on this forum represent less than 1% of membership. We are the types that are opinionated, know the system is broken, and most often are not persuaded positively or negatively about a card based on ratings. But let's be real. If 20 regular members have positive comments about a card being awesome and the girl appeals to someone (like me) the card sells.

This means we know we ***** which girl is top and who is at the bottom. Natali blond was the flavor of the moment and now it is melissa. Someone said jenni gregg is "too cute"- I agree. Jana H and zuzanna are rated for 2007. Liliane tiger is a victim of costumes and hairstyles. Morgane is overrated queen.

Morgane can stand in place like a statue and not move while dressed up in a bear costume that doesn't show her body or face and still get 10's from people.

well for starters i think its normal to first look at the high rated cards. I mean when i joined i got Morgane Flashy Babe for free.
Then i looked at the highest rated girls and discovered Ariel.
Maii i discovered by searching for Asians (she was the only girl in that category that interested me). Later when i found hothairyones site i checked all girls. Then i discovered Walleria. Thats something that was and is missing for me on this site a chance to check all the girls not all the shows. So one can pick those he/she likes on first sight.
For deciding which show to buy first i mostly also looked at the ratings. Later i bought some cards because of the explicit content even of girls i didn't like on first sight. Overrated for me is Jana H and Nadine. (Nadines shows are good ***** pills) Melisa deserves her ratings. And Morgane... well i'm not sure if all shows deserve to be in the top.

@spacephantom: which of jana's shows are the good ones?

@honkytonkwoman
Well the Jana H cards I like are "Naughty Girl" and "Matador". It's all a matter of personal taste, of course, but I think she's at her most seductive in those and is a bit more dynamic than in her other shows.

@Slayyer and Starryk
Yes Morgane is one of the two girls I referred to in my original post. She's a beautiful girl and I actually quite like her, but she certainly isn't what you would call a fantastic performer and I just don't think she deserves to be consistently rated higher than most other girls on vghd. Personally I would rate her somewhere between 8 and 9 (between 9 and 10 for looks, but only about 7 for performance).