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arise77
Da In Mar 2008
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@Dfner

But my point actually was that there was one way to get SEC without any gambling element involved. And that was purchasing that Premium membership when it was introduced (like I did). That way you got your Joker card, and therefore, effectively, an SEC of your choice without any gambling.

You're right, there was also a Joker card given when you filled the thermometer during last year's Black Friday promotion. This did involve gambling, but still everyone had a clear way of getting it.
This is actually not a bad idea btw: allowing everyone to win a Joker card after spending a certain amount.


@TheEmu

What was the second route of getting the 1st SECs if it wasn't gambling?
The second route was gambling. It was a way of gettiing the SECs. Without this second route there was absolutely NO way of getting a SEC if you had missed (or deliberately ignored) the original event. It was a solution that did provide the requested second way of getting the cards - that some people did not like that way of getting them does not mean that it was not a solution - albeit not a universaly acceptable one but no one ever claimed that it was.

Sorry I misunderstood your post at first, I thought you said there was a second route, then came the gambling. I get your point.
Just saying again, I'm fine with SECs part of a package: you buy the package, you get the SEC. That's the main difference for me with SECs you get only through gambling, even the 1st SECs (which haven't been offered in any other way than gambling since). You take part in the promotion, well... the chances are higher you don't get the SEC. Therefore, if most of the time you can't get what you're playing for, that's not a solution.

You can put it in a simple way: if there is another way, there will probably be less people taking part in the scratch game. If people choose not to gamble, that might just be because it's not worth the time, credits and all unwanted cards.
Exactly correct, and that is pretty well the point I have been trying to make all along. Changing things is likely to cost Totem money unless they are careful, Changing things in the simple ways that have been suggested would almost certainly cost them money - would you willingly reduce your profits ?

How can you be sure this will reduce Totem's profits?
You seem to be concerned with Totem's profits from the scratch game but you said many times yourself you get the SECs for free and even earn credits.
Many members don't gamble, if Totem gets them to buy a package with the SEC they want, that's another way of generating profit.
Plus, as I said, gambling can stay, members who want it could still gamble.

I took part in the scratch game several times this year, I gave it a go, thinking "ok, maybe we can get an SEC this way" the only SEC I got was Anastasiia which was "given" automatically after 30 or so scratch cards. Well, I came to the conclusion this method simply doesn't work, I ended up with about 100 cards I didn't want for twice or 3 times the price. That made me think, why pay for something I don't want? Since then, I realised what I ***** in these games made me want to spend less here. How is that for profit?
I haven't spent as much as members with a full collection, but most members have a partial collection. And if these members realise chasing SECs through gambling is pointless, the scratch game will become less and less profitable.

We can only speculate on the intentions, but the odds show that this game is designed to make most members pour in a lot of credits, not for most members to win an SEC.
Yes we can speculate on the intentions, but whatever the intensions were the gambling games did provide a second way to get the SECs, no matter how unpopular that way turned out to be it was still a way to get the cards.

Gambling is indeed a 2nd way of getting the package SECs, and has been the only way up to now to get the majority of SECs.
Stanston
Da In Aug 2018
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@PAGORN
Can I suggest you to Google Freedom of Speech ?
No, that's not necessary :)
We are having a civilized and respectful discussion about a controversial policy from a company we otherwise hold in high esteem. Under the circumstances, there is no need to ban anyone. Besides,
forcibly silencing people's anger is rarely a good solution.
Rather, their anger risks to turn into rage and expressing itself differently. Notably through the loss of customers.
Like i was saying, when Emotions come to play things will become uncontrollable, so yes it was totally my fold.
But it was not my Goal to offend or piss off the other Members like i mentioned.
So if someone is feeling offended or anything else i Apologize for that.

And further to stay on my Opinion which should be Ok,
However, those with a full or almost full collection (let's say triple-diamond customer) have nothing to gain from it.
So it would be wise to allow them to acquire all the cards without having to submit to games that only increase their frustration and anger.
I'm thankful for my Discounts which i'm getting through my Status, it is totally Ok for me.
I'm more than Thankful, that i was be able myself to get the iStripper Software
running inside of Linux, to use the Product.
I'm totally not frustrated with the iStripper Product, and for that Reason was my previous Post
not that necessary.

I Love the iStripper Product just like it is, and at least from my own Perception,
and when i'm watching the Shows i have the Feeling that Totem is on a good course.
But with that said, i'm stepping back from this Discussion, and Apologize again for my action.
So please feel free to Discuss whatever you want, i'm further enjoying my Shows.
Stanston
Da In Aug 2018
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@Grabandt
Everyone has a different opinion about it, it would be bad if everyone had the same opinion.
In this case i will not hold back my Opinion to the whole SEC,
Gambling or whatever Situation, here on iStripper.
Please keep in Mind, it's only my own/one Opinion, it shall not insulting or piss off anyone.
When you feel insulted or pissed off, then it's not my Fold, that was definitively not my Goal.

This will be my last attempt to be a voice of reason, if it not helps,
you can still smash your Heads after that. I'm laying back in the meanwhile and shaking my Head about it.

But only for a short Moment, because there are waiting roundabout 1900 Girls for my Attention.

We all know that a critical Mass of upset and dissatisfied people will for sure destroy things.
Driven by your Emotions, will Result in an uncontrolled Situation, that is the Truth.
Because an upset and dissatisfied Situation is a result from the wrong Expactations.
And from Expectation follows the Disappointment, alwasy my Friends always, that is also the Truth
That is the Reason why i don't have any Expectations in anyone else, except for myself.

I also know that there are more many Users which are satisfied with iStripper, and i'm one of them.
But they are holding back, which is sad but everyone to it's own.
But it would be sad when the Mass of satisfied Users is bigger as the Mass of the
dissatisfied Users. And that the dissatisfied Users Mass, are be able to Shut Down iStripper.
That would be sad, only because a few Users are not getting all and everything at anytime.

Also i will not Say, that Totem is making everything right, and i think there is always
room for improvement. But again we have no Idea what's going on behind the Curtain.

And i really could imagine that Totem isn't generating enough Money only from the Card Prices (regular Shows),
to bring us every Day a new Show, yes it could be the case. No i'm sure that is the case.
Otherwise they didn't decide to do so with the SEC Card's the Gambling and the Outfit Auction.

Then at the end everyone will get paid for his Work. It is a given and taken.
Totem takes our Money, but they are giving us wonderful Girls for that.
That is the Reason why we are here. That is the Reason why I am here.

And we know for sure, the the Team is reading this Topic. And if we are patient
they will react. But at the end this Reaction will not satisfy everyone, but it is what it is.
You can't satisfy everyone it is what it is, accept this Situation, otherwise you will never come to rest.

And now comes the harsh part, and yes driven by my Emotions for sure,
again please keep my introductory statement in Mind.

Maybe it's a good Idea that Totem is Banning all those upset and dissatisfied User for a while from the Forum.
But still with Access to the rest of the iStripper Universe.
To give them Time to come to Rest for themself, and to give Totem the Time to reorganize their Stuff and Things.
To not mess around any more, with such stupid and annoying Situations.

And if these Users are still not be able to Understand the two medals principle,
then these Mass of Users should look for another thing, which one attracts your attention.
Then obviously iStripper doesn't it for you any more.

Thanks for Reading
dar2112v
Da In Dec 2007
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this post is a little to long for me to read it but the 1st paragraph had a few statements that needed comment.



But it will be of no use if we keep talking about the same problem, SEC cards.
Because Totem will hardly take us into consideration, in addition, Totem has recognized how one can earn additional money or compensate for losses.

Not sure what consideration you are looking for but yes totem realizes the gambling makes them money

Just like you, I have a large collection and I always bought every card, then the SEC cards were introduced. Of course, all cards from iStripper are a "must" for collectors.

We have different definitions of 'collector' - I collect the cards I want. Some I can take or leave; and the ones I don't want - I don't want in my collection at any price not even if they were free.

The problem, we thought the cards were really something special, because it was said, "The cards are only available now at this point in time" and then no more.

Never being available doesn't make them special? I have zero exclusive (aka SEC) cards but plenty of cards that cannot be purchased any longer but there is nothing special about them?

After a lot of criticism, Totem changed the strategy a bit.

Totem did not make any change because of any kind of criticism. Totem second exclusive card was a gambling game. Once they saw how much money they made they realized their mistake in saying the first exclusive card would "never be available again" so they made more gambling games and offered the previously never available card again as a prize.

Now we are ***** with the SEC cards, because the distances where they appear are getting shorter and shorter.
In addition, the joker cards, of course everyone would like to have them, because if you miss an SEC card, you still have the joker and can use it.

We are ***** with exclusive cards because they are highly profitable; many members are willing to waste both their time and credits to get a card simply because they cant get it any other way. As long as it's profitable it will remain.

And while I guess everyone would like a joker; I personally wouldn't do anything stupid to get one. Never had one and doubt I ever will