=)

Personally I use Spotify with VGirl as an external player... works perfect for me! I pay 5€ per month and have full access to their +30 Million song catalogue... No need to rip or convert anything =)

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@jununger:
I wouldn't know what to say, maybe Apple uses only one draft contract that fits from time to time to the country in which it is applied;
I can only rejoice in the fact that in Italy we have no DRM, abolished by law years ago.

@shodan084:
I also am glad to see my VGirls dancing with my mp3 tracks… totally DRM free (!)…

Have a good time you all!

It's legaleese. Designed to make the contract as non-flexible as possible. If you'd made the contract and iTunes signed it, you'd have legal presidence as to what the contract means.
Wouldn't that be great? :)

Personally, do I want to make good looking girls jiggle to my illicit mp3 downloads? Hell, I'm going to do it... Amazon? I'll see you in court! :)

@BJlover
This is inded a minefield and subject to local laws but what I find interesting is that there is a section about CONTENT SECURITY also in the Italian version of the TOS. If it's null and void... why is it there in the first place? (rethorical question only Apple can answer)

Bottom line... no one can follow all querks of these legal texts... this is why I time and again in this topic have pointed out how crazy the Itunes TOS is. On one hand they let you make up to 7 CD-copies of the files (UK version)... on the other hand there's a DRM present that prevent you from simply converting the files to Mp3... and on top of that it's not allowed to remove the DRM to make a digital copy, not even for personal use. It's like a game of cat and mouse...

Has the LA studio been on hold indefinitely? Other than the sub-par photos the models were on spec. If totem has anymore they could release them with a discount. Other than Bella Claire VG debut and a few other cards I havent seen a reason to reup my account lately. I mean I love Viola as much as the next guy but come on 29 cards is getting ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but it was not my intention to make extracts of long contracts: I just extrapolated the part where it talks about iTunes. What you say seems to me exactly the opposite of what we read on iTunes TOS: all music sold until 2009 was DRM; from 2009 onwards it is sold DRM-free. And anyway, if I buy a commercial CD, or I download the same CD from iTunes (or Amazon, Google Music, etc.) and then I convert it legally in mp3 format for private use, as you can tell the difference between the two? I refer to the Italian laws on copyright (which, luckily, seem to coincide with the Treaty of Lisbon): for personal use, the copy of any song copyright protected is always allowed.

I brought an actual CD from Amazon the other day, but all CD's come with a Online Digital Download, which means that the CD I brought is covered by the DRM. I cannot make a copy of the CD without a breach of my Agreement with amazon... the same applies to iTunes.

You can't just haul out one line from a complicated contract. If you brought the media pre 2009 and recorded the media pre 2009 then you might not be covered, depending on what you did with the media. If it's under the back seat of your car, where you threw it after the new album came out, you might be exempt...
If you brought it yesterday, and converted it to cd then you fall under the new DRM and, while you can make and play a CD of the music, copying the CD is a ***** of the TOS you signed when you brought it...

@Cartref:
I told from the beginning that I refer on the copyright laws in Italy, but it seems to me that the link below is the permanent solution to our problem...

@Shodan084:
from your link on Lisbon Treaty:

"Music tracks sold through the iTunes store after March 2009 do not include Apple's FairPlay DRM technology and are referred to as iTunes Plus Products. Rules (i) and (vi) apply to all digital music sold today in the iTunes Store:

(i) You shall be authorized to use Products only for personal, noncommercial use.

[...]

(vi) iTunes Plus Products do not contain security technology that limits your usage of such Products, and Usage Rules (ii) – (v) do not apply to iTunes Plus Products. You may copy, store, and ***** iTunes Plus Products as reasonably necessary for personal, noncommercial use."

So, exactly what ​I ​meant... or not?...

Rather, another great battle that we musicians are trying to win with our leaders in Italy from many years, is that here the musical products are taxed at 21%, while the books are taxed at 4% because they are considered cultural heritage.
What's cultural in a cookbook (or in a serial novel) in comparison of a Beethoven symphony (or a Pink Floyd album), still we have to understand...



​ ​​

It's a legal minefield, but as you brought the track from iTunes, it's a non-transferable usage right.
This means that you can't change the format of your music to anything else without copyright infringement with your iTunes contract.
Since it's online and borderless, and the fact that iTunes is not an Italian company, European Law not Italian Law is what would be used, if iTunes caught you and decided to haul you off to court... :)

It was all in the Lisbon Treaty, the one that nobody wanted... :)

www.zdnet.com/article/who-owns-your-digital-downloads-hint-its-not-you/

I've been perusing my Amazon fine print and the same applys there!

A point for ALL to remember, copyright laws differ from state to state, let alone country to country, so lets be a little careful here, because the rules YOU know, may not the thr rules that SOMEONE else knows.

Cheers & beers

@jununger:

sorry, but I think you don't consider​ that I wrote above:
in Italy the iTunes contents are DRM free.
And if iTunes allows me to ***** a CD, it is comparable to a commercial CD.

“You can use the CD to which you have ***** your iTunes Products in the same way you would use a CD purchased from a dealer, under the rules on copyright in ***** in Italy.”
(from Italian iTunes TOS)
​
So I don't break any rule, because I don't remove ANY copy protection.
A little fee for the general copyright is in the taxes we pay for any CD rom we buy.​
My lawyer told me this many time ago...​

@HombreSinSombra:

I think there are around most dangerous softwares​ than iTunes (e.g. Flightradar24) for our security...

@BJlover
Sorry, but I believe you interpreted the text incorrect. By first ***** the CD legally and then converting that CD to Mp3 you have in fact circumvented the copy protection and thereby acted against the agreemend in the contract you have signed by accepted the terms and conditions for Itunes. Ask your lawer, I'm sure he would agree with me on this.

The law may give you the right to make a personal copy, but you have still breached the contract you have signed when you remove the copy protection and use the media with a non compatible device (or software).

@jununger

From the same link (Italian TOS):

SICUREZZA DEI CONTENUTI
Lei accetta di non violare, aggirare, compiere il reverse engineering, decompilare, disassemblare o altrimenti alterare alcun componente di un Dispositivo di Sicurezza - o di tentare o assistere un’altra persona nel compiere questi atti. Nonostante quanto possa essere previsto da altre condizioni, Le è consentito di masterizzare Prodotti iTunes audio su CD, nei limiti previsti dalle Regole d’Uso. Le Regole d’Uso possono essere controllate e monitorate da iTunes per verificarne l’osservanza ed iTunes si riserva il diritto di far osservare le Regole d’Uso senza alcun preavviso.

Translated by Google:

​​​CONTENTS SECURITY
You agree not to *****, circumvent, do the reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise alter any component of a safety device - or grope or assist another person in performing these acts. Despite what can be expected from other conditions, it is only permitted to ***** audio iTunes Products to CD, within the limits set by the Rules of Use. The Usage Rules may be controlled and monitored by iTunes to monitor compliance and iTunes reserves the right to enforce the Usage Rules without notice.

So, is perfectly legal ***** a CD from iTunes.
And so, is perfectly legal convert a CD in mp3 tracks for personal use (therefore also for use in VG).
Infact, a ***** CD is comparable to a commercial CD, and the mp3 conversion is always legal for personal use. Apple can control the contents into the iTunes software, not on the CDs (***** or commercial) you have...

@BJlover
True, different countries have different laws that ***** the companies to adapt the EULA/TOS to that country. What does the section about CONTENT SECURITY say in the Italien version?

@Hombre
Yupp, I noticed that... they put almost anything in the EULA to guard themselves from being sued.

One more note: Even if the EULA state that you are not allowed to remove the copy protection I doubt the company would spend any time looking for people who convert songs to mp3 to be able to play them on VGgirl =)

In my opinion you could do duos, that one day two girls making only 2 duos (f.e. see 2 duos with Belle Claire & Aika May, or Eve Angel & Monica Sweet) - when these girls knit (f.e. these are friends, or make some films together) the work will go quickly...
P.s.: In the same way it can be made up to some trio too...

While we're discussing silly EULA laws, check this out...

I giggled but then wondered WTF???

So, if a terrorist organisation used an iTunes version of say, AC/DC's song, "Highway to Hell" to trigger one of these weapons, then Apple would sue them for illegal use of their product? ;)

@jununger:

From link you posted above (Europe – Italy section):
www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/it/terms.html

“Lei potrà utilizzare il CD sul quale Lei ha masterizzato i Suoi Prodotti iTunes nello stesso modo in cui Lei potrebbe utilizzare un CD acquistato da un rivenditore, ai sensi delle norme sul diritto d’autore vigenti in Italia.”

Translated by Google:

“You can use the CD to which you have ***** your iTunes Products in the same way you would use a CD purchased from a dealer, under the rules on copyright in ***** in Italy.”
​
This is what I found about.
As I thought, the laws of several countries on the same subject do not comply...

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I installed VG on my win 8 laptop then upgraded to Win 10 and the program still seems to be running fine!

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@BJlover
"Here in Italy converting CD to mp3 for personal use is perfectly legal."

Same thing in Sweden... but... by agreeing to the Itunes TOS you accept that it's against the contract you sign to do it! (At least as the text is written in the UK version and I don't know Italian)

Pacta sunt servanda (Latin for "agreements must be kept")

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@jununger

I'm a musician, and for this reason I had to get informations on this matter from the Italian lawyers​ in the past.
Here in Italy converting CD to mp3 for personal use is perfectly legal.
There has been a lot of jurisprudence on this matter since the early digital era.
​So, until you don't make it a public use, you can legally convert all your CDs to mp3.
As I mentioned above, I don't know if the laws of the various countries complies, but the right to copy for personal use here is always permitted, even from platforms such as Google, iTunes, Amazon, etc. (in fact, in Italy all these platforms sell digital music DRM free)...​

BJl

​P.S.: excuse my poor English: I hope transmitting correctly my mind.
P.P.S.: you're right: DRM sucks! Luckily, we don't have this matter here... ​

@number6
Hi, thats good news !! At least your RADEON R7 260X http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics card is working this shader. By the jerking I suspect its limitation is its multithreading capacity. The NVIDIA GTX 660 has less multithreading capacity than the GTX 660ti (which is why I upgraded my rig from the standard gtx card spec. to ti ) and that may also explain why @HSS was having problems earlier with some multi-texture SCNs on his GTX 650, and OMG yidincrete with his GT 640m cannot report because still trawling thru Windows10 nightmare land..good luck with drivers :-/.

Ok for extra nerdy fun, when I return from break, I will be putting some hopefully useful tips & tricks I've been using recently for debugging any shader codes. eg:

1. line numbers on shown VGPlayer's debug screen are a combination of Scene (SCN) file-called code lines & shader lines,. A further complication is that empty code line spaces may or may not be counted by debug reports. If you want to know WHERE you are looking in the Notepad++ code using the VGdebug report, try guessing where it is in Notepad++ , and then place a string like 'wtf' on a line resave and rerun the scene. Then review your shader code again & count lines up or down from there. Don't forget to re-edit & resave the shader back again after ;-)

In this case you can see running with 'wtf'..its actually on VGdebug's line 57 not 52...
ie: Debug will report 'wtf''s line location as read by the VGPlayer.

Edit: @Number6 try stroking off the two shader calls in the SCN framebuffers @lines 39 & 44, and see if that affects the jerking. I think those calls are redundant there anyway.
Also wrt the sparklies..@TheEmu explained on page 24, three posts down, how GPU's deal with textures so if you have lots of detailed discontinuities of contrasting colors the averaging effect pixillates blockiness. Best fractals to use in animated scene files like these, will obviously then be lots of open gradients and limited small filigree :-)

@BJlover
Not sure how the TOS differ from country to country. The TOS I looked at was the UK version. If you want to check what you have agreed to when using Itunes in your country you can look it up here...

www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/

The first step you took by creating a CD with the songs is legal... but converting that CD to MP3 is not allowed (If I understand the legal stuff correct)

The whole purpose of this discussion to me is to point to the stupidity of the Itunes TOS. It's like telling somone that they are not allowed to drink milk from a yellow glas... the glas has to be blue since that's the only color we allow!

Hello everyone. I don’t know if the iTunes TOS applied in Italy (my country) are the same in other countries, but in Italy the songs purchased from iTunes are DRM free. And, in any case, any version of iTunes allows you to ***** a CD with the songs you want. After that, you can simply convert CD to MP3 and put the songs in VG (personal use, then perfectly legal). My two cents… BJlover

@91hebasu
I'm not a lawyer but have have studied law at university level =)

Here's what the TOS section says:

CONTENT SECURITY
You agree not to *****, circumvent, reverse-engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise tamper with any element of the Security Framework—or to attempt or assist another person to do so.

It's pretty straight forward. The TOS also states that you are only allowed to play media from Itunes "on compatible devices, such as an iPad, iPod, iPhone and Apple TV". So to answer your question; Yes, changing the file format is not allowed since it removes the copy protection.

It is legal to make backup copies but only within the terms of the TOS... that is, you are not allowed to remove the copy protection.

@Number6
It is possible to use software like Audacity to remove the copy protection. But even to try to assist someone else in doing this is a breach of contract... Simply stating that it's possible is not illegal ;)

Ahhh, yes. I see. I must have been distracted by the legality stuff.
😉

@EverthangForever

Still getting some stuttering but much improved on the test labrynth B scenes and the No.6 scene file (not sure if this is one of yours or one I have been playing with - I must keep bettter track of my test files).

It is a bit difficult to say if the video is actually jerking in this because the shader definitely is - about every 4 seconds. The texture rendering quality is quite good - on some of the other scenes the quality is a lot lower.

HTH

PS The video is also jerking - it just isn't quite as noticeable because of the shader jerking,

PPS On some of the higher density fractals there are a lot of "sparklies" which detract from the quality abit.

@HombreSinSombra, @jununger

Absolutely stupid copright laws around the world - these need to be agreed and consolidated. The UK didn't allow digital backups of any sort and the ripping of cd's to mp3. Then it did. Now a court case seems to have negated this yet again.

@91hebasu

If the the aforesaid iTunes files have DRM encoding it may not be possible to convert them, which I think is what @jununger was trying to say.

Similarlly if I download a DRM book from Amazon I can only read it on a Kindle or my PC. I cannot read on my Sony e-reader because it can't read the Amazon format and the DRM will not let me convert it. Similarly on DVD's and BluRay. I can legally buy a disc from the US but it will not play on my European BluRay player.

And the media inustry wonders why there is piracy?

I have an old iPOD. If I want to update the files on it I install ITunes, update the files and uninistall iTunes. It is one of the most intrusive music systems there is apart from Windows Media Player which does not even get the time of day on my PC. I use Media Player Classic Home Cinema for video (it also plays music files)

I have to agree with the comments on Audacity - I've used this for years, I also use AIMP3 for normal playback of music files. This is Rumanian but I have never had any problems with it (trojans, etc.) and my Avast Antivirus, Malware Bytes and Spybot have never seen any problems with it.,

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Partly inspired by stalled tiling & multishader attempts, here is a final update for the high-end GPU Test bench before going to complete my holidays. A few things needed doing :
~ new floating stage with tinted glass floor
~ Texture hotspots have been unified to all as 0.5, 0.0
~ SCN includes coincident use of one fsh mod blending two textures.

AnotherTunnel_shadertoydotcom_BoyC_TheCave_MsX3RH_ETModGo1.fsh is used on sampler2Ds to render a few of Number6's outstanding JPG fractals collection.' Another quad nested FSH uses yidincretes beach2 texture, to show through at the non-seamed areas of the Labyrinth. Yidincrete's texture is good for that because its almost like a greyscale pic and the distinct rich brown-soft gold texture contrasts well with most of Number6's collection fractals.

I've demonstarted using both jpg and png quads (yes I know transparency.jpg is an oxymoron jiji ;-)) to mount the shader twice hoping lack of extra transparency calculations may lower the load on GPUs. Ive reversed the texture selections also to compare effects, and alternated the Surface_texture sample sizing. There may be a bit of shudder in the foreground on some GPUs which you can ameliorate using the TheCave's line 51 float time=iGlobalTime/20.37+43.63; if you need to.
This updates previous LabyrithBTest, without overwriting any SCNs. zip is 24.7 MB

Its experimentally oddish but it all compiles ok on your VGHDPlayer..Good luck with the modding & pls share any of your efforts no matter how small, for others to experiment ongoing with in the forum. Thanks a lot ;-)

scenes.virtuastripper.net/ELECTRICAveNewLabyrinthCTest.zip

Edit: Update 10th Sept 15

Repeated the Labyrinth C05 - C11 series but with a BoyC shader adjustment called ~Go2.
TheCave shader 'Go2' ammendment, now includes lighting via Go1's previously stroked out shader code line 182 :182 lp=Position3D(time+0.3,lighta,lightb,lightc,lightd);

Also I have stroked off the redundant shader calls in the frame buffers just for this D series alone to see if it runs better on earlier GPUs.
No files are replaced by this update EXCEPT Labyrinth C08 which had a missaligned sprite. Assumes previously installed Labyrinth files (above) in order to run. Zipsize = 22.0 Kb

scenes.virtuastripper.net/ELECTRICAveNewLabyrinthDTest.zip

@jununger. My turn to apologise. I was simply noting that I was careful not to state anything illegal. It may have read as a dig at you but that was not my intention at all, my friend :)

I agree, legal solutions are always best and safest :)

I did however state that Audacity will allow one to record any audio source that can be played thru one's computer speakers. And I do mean ANY audio source. I won't state the obvious ;) The members can figure that one out for themselves...

You a lawyer jununger ??

I believe iTunes has the copy protection disclaimer to help prevent copying and distributing. Not playing with whatever media player you may have. Even if you have to change the format to play it.


Every iTunes music item I own is in MP4 format. Seems them not playing here is merely a format issue.

Try to ***** and drop an MP4 music file(from any source) to the vg library and it does nothing, every time. Wrong format. They need to be MP3.

I've never heard anything about changing the format of a file, say MP4 to MP3, being illegal. If that's the case, it's news to me.

No......I'm not a lawyer
;-)

@Hombre
Sorry if it sounded like I implied someone stated anything illegal ;)

Fact is that the TOS for Itunes states that it's prohibited to even try to work around the copy protection... In Sweden this is even more crazy since there's a law that states, as you mention, that it's legal to make a personal copy of any legal audio or video recordning. There's even a special tax on harddrives, CDR/DVDR and even cellphones since they can be used to store legal copies of legal recordings! This tax is then paid out as compensation to the copyright owners...

This means that if I buy a bigger HDD to hold all my Vgirl cards I have to pay a tax to the music industry... It's insane!

It's one thing for a software like VGirl to have a copy protection, it's a totally different thing blocking a person, who have purchased a licens for a song or record, from playing that recording on their favorit mediaplayer.

So, unless Totem can make a deal with Apple to allow Itunes songs to be played in the DesktopVideoPlayer there are few legal options around... except to stop using Itunes and shop your music somewhere else. =)



PS. fixed some spelling errors...

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@jununger: Notice that I didn't state anything illegal in my post ;) Audacity and probably other software like it will allow you to record your own voice, sound effects, rip sound from your own home movies or whatever you wish to record, then edit and convert to many file formats. What the user does with the software is up to him/her regarding legal or illegal use. I take NO responsibility as I have zero control over the usage :D Btw, I personally have NEVER used I-Tunes.

If the OP has paid for his I-Tunes, I see no reason why he cant play them in VG. It's non-commercial use.

I vaguely remember reading years ago, that in most countries, any software, audio, music or video that a person has bought is legally allowed to make ONE back-up copy for personal use in case of failure of the original. This is a very grey area of course and I'm no expert. These laws may have changed by now.

My point is, the OP doesn't need to crack any copy protection. Audacity will let him record and save to MP3 :) Up to him if he goes this route...

I guess the problem might come from Itunes copy protection... you may need to illelagy crack the copy protection on the file to make it work... DRM Sucks!

If anyone have a legal solution that is of course to prefer... =)

@No.6 is correct. Certainly on Windows version, WMA and MP3 both work fine on mine.

@ET has mentioned Audacity which is a superb piece of FREE open-source software. As he mentioned, when you try to export to MP3 the first time, Audacity asks you to install the Lame for MP3 codec. This is safe and only goes to one site. Just follow the simple instructions. You can set up the software to record and/or edit ANY sound you can play thru your computer's speakers. It's truly awesome! :D

sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/

This link is 100% safe. Don't even bother with any other site ;)

I think the player only plays mp3 so if you click the " add " button on VGHDPlayer's Sound & Music section to locate the file on your drive in that format you are good to go ! If you need to capture or convert to mp3 you will need to install Lame codec in something like Audacity so you can export other formats to mp3. Be careful downloading codecs..there are a lot of bogus trojan sites out there..stick with reputable websites you can trust.

Can you be a bit more specific about what the problem is?

Have you got a MAC or a windows machine? Is the operating system preventing you copying them?

Are they in the right format? - I think VG only handles MP3 and WMA but I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

I can't help with MAC as I don't have one, but for windows the music files have to go in the "musics" folder in the models\data folder. They must be in the main "musics" folder - no sub folders. Also I think you have to quit VG and then restart it once the files have been copied over.

Please...How do I get my I Tunes songs to go on VirtualGirl. The songs that I bought from ITunes will not copy over. ?????? HELP

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I want to add that you can add more pantyhose stuff. its very sexy with or without panties .. Viola recent card is the perfect example of it .. as for stockings .. getting tired of them since there are too many here ..

Is there any further news on the duo front totem? It's been quite a while since this post was created and we're still seeing nothing but solo cards coming out (which I'm quite enjoying, but I'd still like to see the return of the duos).

Glad I could help =)

ooh thanks very much, didnt know i could go onto that site too lol, been a member for years without knowing that

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With kind permissions of @Number6 & @yidincrete here are 4 diagnostic scenes for VGHD Forum members experimenting with Shadertoy.com's BoyC-TheCave fragment shader.

It comprises VGHDPlayer scenes for sampler2D textures set to convert to 1920 x 1200 size in order to study the effect of texture reduction and texture tiling by the VGHDPlayer with various native size textures (picture files).

The provided native sizes below are labelled within each test graphic and they are all installed in the same name-tree listing here for ease of comparison. The original textures provided in other subdirectories have been inverted and mirrored variously in x and y dimensions foreshadowing possible further/future work required on the shader code by others. Test sizes are:

1920 x 1200
5112 x 2880
7673 x 4305

Texture labels have been differently applied. Some are on transparent areas to display what is running below the shader quad and some are not.

It is a quest to understand how tiling of textures can be declared better in the code. How this and other effects could be improved & structured to be manipulated by uniforms so we can easily observe more interesting convoluted 3D dynamic wrappings without excessive strain on the GPU. It is hoped scene/shader test-sets like these may inspire further improvements and perhaps even lead to development of a 'Tunnel B' type shader project later on.

Zip is in the share http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=29408&storageRemovePostItem=1&gotolastpage=1#post479195 thread. Thanks @Number6, @yidincrete, @HSS. You guys rock !!