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orclover
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22 March 2020, 88 réponses
@orclover

I pretty well agree with all that you have said in your last post. If you had said that instead of firstly calling Totem's games scams and then as "suspect" (with no qualification - "morally suspect" I would have accepted) then I would have had no comment to make. It really does help to say what you mean when you criticise something.

With regard to gambling in general, people can know what a gamble is without fully understanding the implications of gambling - in particular how probablility works. This, unfortunately, leads them to believe many false things (like runs of luck). As you say it took some of the smartest minds - specifically Blaise Pascal - to understand probability.

Speaking of scam, suspect...these are somewhat legal terms. The rule of law is arbitrary in many cases. For example, right now there are many thousands of people illegally downloading media, a few of them will get cease and desist letters, and a very tiny minority will ever get prosecuted. But they are all doing something illegal. Have software companies been sued for lootboxing and games of chance? Yes, ironically EA is being sued IN FRANCE by two separate entities for gambling in FIFA...which I believe involves their algorithms that change real-time to encourage more gambling and attracts ***** participants. Totem seems smart enough to cease and desist any illegal action once it becomes precedent but their current gambling system is likely in a similar category as the ones being tried in court. You cannot rely on the fact they aren't being prosecuted so they aren't doing anything illegal or scammy. If scammy, they aren't uniquely scammy, they just picked up the tools of other companies. Once again, I would be a little sad if they had to stop this easy flow of money because it honestly only makes my life better..my favorite product has more money and is more financially secure. But it doesn't make it morally good or legal.
orclover
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22 March 2020, 88 réponses
In theory you could have such bad luck that you never win.
@orclover - it is a gamble, and we all know that it is a gamble. By its very nature you can never be sure that gambling any amount of money will result in a getting what you are gambling for, be it a thousand, ten thousand, one million or even a billion credits,

It is not at all suspect (by which I assume you mean to imply that there is some sort of deception involved), though we may find it distasteful and some may have strong moral objections, but neither make it "suspect".

Lol, if we all knew what a gamble is...nobody would do it. Games of chance are set by the house to benefit the house in the long run, and always screw the player in the long run. Games of chance also release dopamine and create an addictive cycle while the house screws you over just enough that they win but you don't quit. The math is very clear, and has been worked out by some of the smartest minds on the planet earth. This gets us into some very philosophical territory. Should a person be allowed to be an *****, to experience the initial pleasure of addiction, and then face the terrible consequences without assistance? Or should we rid our society of ***** and addictive interactions to protect vulnerable people? I error on the side of giving choice but I also believe that we should have judgement while allowing choice. I judge that totem is wrong in doing this, that they have made a conscious decision to take advantage of vulnerable adults in order to improve profits, but I also benefit from their extra income and therefore am a party to the wrong. If you can't live with that reality and have to justify it another way then so be it.
orclover
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22 March 2020, 88 réponses
The legality of using games of chance to take money from people while there is chance you do not offer a service is still in question.I too don't like exclusive cards nor gamble games at all, but also have to say that such one is, a time more, not a right argument. Gamble on Istripper is not a money gamble, it's a mere credit gamble - and credits don't have any monetary value.
We don't purchase gamble plays - neither cards - with money here. Only thing we purchase with money on Istripper are credits, which have no real value, are not money and are not convertible back into money. Everything we then do with our credits is, economically speaking, totally fictional.

Moreover, we can dislike gambling games, we can ***** about existance here or frequence of gambling events (and I do), but it has to be pointed, also, that we totally know in advance what gambling is: a game of chance; so we will not be EVER be sure to win, even spending tons of credits. We know it: if one likes, he plays anyway - if he doesn't, then he should simply not play.
I find it's not right instead to gamble, and then ***** after not having won anything and because of that - which was precisely the nature of gambling. We knew it in advance.

Casinos can use "credits" as well. You can load "credits" on a card and then use the card to play different electronic slots and other games...these are some of the most nefarious games because the games can be manipulated real-time using algorithims. Totem obviously changes its games mid-week, often for the better but they still update them. The point is the games promise a service, but because of the randomness, do not always provide the promised service. ***** dealers, doctors, con-artists get in trouble for taking advantage of a sub-set of society who are vulnerable to making poor decisions. There is a ton of science behind the addiction associate with gambling and there is a fine line between obsessive collecting and collecting for fun. I have often had derision for people who ***** about losing at gambling, I do not gamble, but totem is not right in this...there is a whole lot of wrong. The company is wrong for putting its customers in this position, and the vulnerable customers are wrong for continually overpaying to merely fill a collection or a set. Why the heck can't totem just provide amazing girls...have a scratch game or two where new customers can win discounts to build up their accounts. Why do we need "not special event cards" that put full collectors in a vulnerable position, and why do we need games that are setup for people to only lose?
orclover
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21 March 2020, 88 réponses
@orclover

The definitions of scam in all the dictionaries that I have checked make it abundantly clear that what Totem are doing is not a scam. It may be regarded as resembling a scam or as unfairly taking advantage, but that is a different matter. Unlike Humpty Dumpty we are not free to say “When I use a word,it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” Nothing that Totem have done in offering the SECs is either fraudulent or deceptive. The cards have not been called Special Cards by Totem.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/scam

an illegal plan for making money, especially one that involves tricking people:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scam

Definition of scam

(Entry 1 of 2)
: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

Definition of scam (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb
1 : to deceive and defraud (someone)

The legality of using games of chance to take money from people while there is chance you do not offer a service is still in question. The EU is currently discussing whether lootboxes and other gambling services should be allowed in different forms of software. There are times when a participant pays credits and does not receive any service.

Looking at the picture above we see that there certainly is a pattern where totem gives the impression that a card is "special".
  • 2 christmas cards
  • 2 dominatrex cards
  • Red fox special outfit
  • The first duo in a long time
  • A card with a shopping prop
  • Roller blade card

Level-headed and experienced buyers on istripper might still think that some of these offer unique content other than a bag, or a roller-blade, or a whip. Those of us who have some of the card now know that the cards are nothing special, and are consistent with cards that cost us $1. I could not find any instance of totem explicity making it known that these cards are not special from the other cards. Therefore they are using a gambling system that rides the line of legal, while giving the impression that special event cards are special, when they are not special, except for in their exorbinant cost.

I do not necessarily disagree with their business plan. It only works because collectors are vulnerable and easy to *****. There is responsibility on that side to make a decision that $500 is too much for a single card. But to say that it isn't a scam at all isn't clear to me.

We know that there are buyers who spend many hundreds of dollars for a single card. A investigator or psychologist would have to conclude that these people are likely of similar mind to those who might give money to an email or online scam. It is possible for a person to spend $500 and not receive the special event card that they desire...to me this is similar to any email or online scam.

I want to be clear...I love totem as a business. They produce my favorite entertainment software and have always been respectful and generous with me as I with them. I have ***** that they are going to struggle through the end of this year and I am grateful that they have a source of income that is not related to producing new cards. But...I also can't feel morally positive with how they use the gambling and special event features. But it is also a porn software and so the morality is *****.