@gkar45

18 of the ***** things.

Indeed

Just adding my two cents here...
As an occasional customer of this site for the last ten years I'm certainly not the type of customer Totem looks for to make a lot of quick money from, especially as I'm on a low budget and can only afford to buy cards very occasionally.
You could say that the SECs are not marketed at people like me as I won't play the gambling games for them as I don't like gambling to begin with and I have such a tiny chance of winning in 3-4 plays that it isn't worth it to me to try anyway, Nontheless it still feels like a slap in the face to me to have cards that I cant obtain through any other means than playing these games of chance.

The fact that nobody from the staff team will speak up and anwer the issues that I and many other members have about these SECs just makes that slap sting even more.

@gkar45

I don't kow and it is irrelevant to the point I was making.

For the advent calendars you did not have to buy the cards before previewing them, though you could choose to do so. No gambling required.

For the August pre-purchase you only got the SEC by buying the cards before seeing them. A degree of gambling was required.

@gkar45, le pré-achat aout 2020, libérait la SEC Nici_A Certain Japanese (1416) 😉
@gkar45, pre-purchase August 2020, released SEC Nici_A Certain Japanese (1416) 😉

No problem @batavus,

I am used to having to struggle on this forum in order to make my position and that of others here on SEC as well understood. No, I am not against them. I am against the fact that Totem uses it more and more to spend credits without the certainty of obtaining them, and even seeks to entice people who do not want to play their games to have them.

Which for my part I refuse, for the various reasons that I have already mentioned previously.

It is obvious that the people who did not all follow this saga, could have lost part of it.

That is why I am trying as best as possible to make this position clear. 😊


Pas de problème @batavus,

Je suis habitué de devoir me débattre sur ce forum pour bien faire comprendre ma position et celle de d'autres également ici concernant les SEC. Non je ne suis pas contre celles-ci. Je suis contre le fait que Totem s'en sert de plus en plus pour faire dépenser des crédits sans certitude de les obtenir, et cherche même à inciter les gens qui ne veulent pas jouer à leur jeux pour les avoir.

Ce que pour ma part je me refuse, pour les diverses raisons que j'ai déjà citées précédemment.

Il est évident que les gens qui n'ont pas tous suivi cette saga, ont pu en perdre une partie.

C'est pourquoi j'essai le mieux possible de rendre claire cette position.😊

[quote]@batavus,

If you had followed all the posts I wrote on this topic, and if you look at the title of this discussion thread, it's pretty easy to understand that I don't own all the SEC cards, and am not against all of them. the ways to get these SEC cards.

I have the SEC cards, which were obtained, as was originally planned, to mark really special events (like the holiday season, advent calendar, etc.) with the purchase of all one month cards.

I have no problem obtaining SEC cards under these conditions.

By the way, it was the special events that were highlighted, and it was never the card, which was special. That's why we say it's a special event card.

It's more from Melena Maria Rya's card, in September 2019, that things turned sour. I finally managed to get this card, with the joker card given in the Premium Member purchase offer.

However, in the same offer I lost the Sky Blue special event card.

It was at this point that Totem decided to release cards that are obtained only through games of chance, with no guarantee of being able to obtain them, and it is since that time, that I hardly get these cards anymore, except that of Cara Mell, where I participated, because there was a specific way to get it with certainty.

It is this way of doing things, which has become more usual now for Totem, and which is increasing in frequency, where people can spend a lot of money, without being sure of getting these cards that I denounce. It has been since that time that we have seen a lot of frustrations for many clients here. Hope you don't think I'm the only one? You just have to notice the many threads on this subject on the forum, to realize it.

And I have absolutely the right to denounce that, whatever may say about it here.

So I mostly have the special event cards from before this change, the ones where there was no problem getting them, if we were ready to buy all the cards for a month, and where there was certainty to have them by buying the cards of an offer x.

So I have 10 cards out of 18 cards.


@comtedracula

The way you speak about the SEC's gave me the opinion you are against the SEC's and still have all of them.
I misunderstood that.
And some other people were also writing about the SEC's in a negative way, that's my opinion.
But I keep having my opinion they are too difficult to get and in fact there's only SEC I'm interested in, the one of The Red Fox. Most girls have six or more cards, so I can buy them at a normal price like I earlier said.
If you feel I offended you, I'm sorry. That was not the meaning.

What they miss is that the advent calendar is itself a randomized prize. Like packs of baseball or magic the gathering cards. You buy a lot of stuff you didn't want for the thing you do want and you don't know what it is in advance.
That was not true of the advent calendars. With them you did not have to buy any cards in advance of their normal release date - indeed you could wait until the last day of advent, preview all 24 cards and buy any that you liked. If you bought all 24 then you got the SEC - no gambling involved at all.

The August pre-purchase was a different matter and did entail the sort of gambling that you referred to.

It's true the timeline going forward meant that people could wait until the end of the offer to buy all of the cards and get the SEC card for free.

It was a fair offer and absolutely correct.

People knew ahead of time that they were buying the cards they wanted within a month, and if they decided not to buy them all, they didn't get the SEC card.

This card was never to be available again following this offer.

It is the breach of this promise, to buyers like me, that has led these cards to drift towards a casino and gambling strategy by Totem.


C'est vrai le calendrier de l'avant impliquait que les gens pouvaient attendre vers la fin de l'offre pour acheter l'ensemble des cartes et obtenir la carte SEC gratuitement.

C'était une offre équitable et tout a fait correcte.

Les gens savaient à l'avance, qu'ils achetaient les cartes qu'ils voulaient dans le mois, et s'ils décidaient de ne pas toutes les acheter, ils n'obtenaient pas la carte SEC.

Cette carte ne devait plus jamais être disponible suite à cette offre.

C'est le manquement à cette promesse, à des acheteurs comme moi, qui a ammené à la dérive de ces cartes, vers une stratégie de casino et gambling par Totem.

What they miss is that the advent calendar is itself a randomized prize. Like packs of baseball or magic the gathering cards. You buy a lot of stuff you didn't want for the thing you do want and you don't know what it is in advance.

That was not true of the advent calendars. With them you did not have to buy any cards in advance of their normal release date - indeed you could wait until the last day of advent, preview all 24 cards and buy any that you liked. If you bought all 24 then you got the SEC - no gambling involved at all.

CORRECTION: I think you may only have got the SEC if you bought the 25th card on the 24th day, so you may have had to "gamble" on the contents of one card.

The August pre-purchase was a different matter and did entail the sort of gambling that you referred to.

I've written on this before and been shot down by members who eagerly explain Totem's motivations in the matter (as though I didn't know). SEC cards are like "loot boxes," which have come under fire in the UK and EU for mimicking gambling behavior and should therefore be regulated as such as was oberved above around FIFA.

But it's more insidious than that. Regular gambling, you gamble for money, a currency you can achieve in other ways. Loot boxes combine gambling with randomized prizes that have a scarcity cachet.

They correctly point out that the Jokers must be gambled for, but that the SEC cards can also be attained through advent calendars and other fixed price events. What they miss is that the advent calendar is itself a randomized prize. Like packs of baseball or magic the gathering cards. You buy a lot of stuff you didn't want for the thing you do want and you don't know what it is in advance.

They make Totem money. True. They also spur a vulnerable subset of users to spend more than the value of a card on many spins to get a card. Totem pays coders to build gambling systems on top of their core business. I'd rather have them pay more money to hire sexy models rather than computer programmers. Because that's their core business. If they wanted to build a gambling site, I'm all for it. But they didn't. They tied gambling to their hot naked girls site. And it makes enough money, apparently, that they don't care it makes some of their core audience frustrated on a regular basis.

Not to be a cheapskate, but I get these through the SexLikeReal VR membership.
Don't stop hosting them there just because I said that, kthx

Shame she changed her hair

same here she looked better before

Eve Sweet - Too Hot For Clothes

Another show from the darling of the latest crop of girls – Eve Sweet (top 3 along with Audalove and Fanfan).

And right from the start – wow! That bottom in those shorts with butt cheeks poking out underneath – heaven! A very simple outfit, as you could see any girl wearing on a warm day, really adds to this. It’s fantasy time. To me, she really has nailed the “girl next door” look and of course there is the added benefit that she is continuing to enjoy herself and laugh and smile.

And up comes the bottom of the shirt, grasped in her teeth to flash her fabulous breasts. And if she’s not lifting it up, she’s pulling the top downwards.

Take a moment for the statistics – excluding previews there are 5 table clips, 5 pole and 5 standing; there are then 3 topless and 12 full-nudity.

Eye contact is usually good and consistent – a couple of moments where you can see her getting directorial directions. Mixture of heels and barefoot scenes.

And as usual, her pussy gets a good rubbing, through the panties, alongside the panties and without any panties. And when the panties come off they often get bitten or licked! In a number of scenes we get fabulous bottomless shots with the top still worn. Brings to mind the scene from the 1993 movie “Short Cuts” with Julianne Moore (see table clip 12 as an example). I would challenge anybody to watch standing clip 13 and pole clip 14 and not get aroused.

I can’t wait for her to do XXX so that when she licks her finger, instead of rubbing a nipple she slips it inside herself, though table clips 15 and 18 get very close.

💋💋💋

Shame she changed her hair, but the outfit looks like something I'd be interested in if it makes it to the general software :)

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Don't even try to escape, her sensuality will catch up with you!

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Évidemment plusieurs ne voudront pas cela. Ils préfèrent prendre le risque de gagner, sans trop s'arrêter aux pertes, en se faisant à croire que le tout s'équilibre pour eux.

Bien sûr, beaucoup aiment cela, ils aiment jouer et la SEC devient même la cerise sur le gâteau, le bonus sans même être le but désiré.

[quote] Obviously many will not want this. They prefer to take the risk of winning, without stopping too much at the losses, by making themselves believe that everything balances out for them. [/ Quote]

Of course, many love it, they love to gamble, and the SEC even becomes the icing on the cake, the bonus without even being the desired goal.

Pour ma part j'aimerais mieux payer plus cher les cartes, en sachant que cela sert à payer les filles correctement et que cela permette à Totem de survivre.

Mais c'est déja le cas pour beaucoup d'entre nous 😊
[quote] For my part I would rather pay more for the cards, knowing that this is used to pay the girls correctly and that this allows Totem to survive. [/ quote]
But this is already the case for many of us 😊

On peut peut-être considérer que gagner une SEC soit aussi un évènement vraiment spécial

C'est certainement ce qu'ils veulent faire croire aux gens, pour réussir à attirer tant de monde à fort prix, pour réussir à faire de l'argent. C'est comme un ver sur un hameçon.

Ça devient spécial, si on est chanceux, de pouvoir obtenir une carte qui n'est pas spécial du tout.

L'objectif de départ de ces cartes, qui était de fidéliser les gens et de donner cette carte en cadeau pour incinter les gens a acheter toutes les cartes d'un mois, a été tout simplement dénaturé, pour une question de gros sous, fait facilement au déprofit de plusieurs clients, car il y a plus de perdants que de gagnants dans cette façon de faire, sauf pour Totem. Je parle ici toujours des SEC ne s'obtenant que par les jeux de hasard, sans certitude de les obtenir.

Ce qu'il gagne en profit, il le perd en respect de plusieurs clients, qui au final n'obtiennent pas la dite carte, ou qui se rendent compte après coup, combien cela leur a coûté cher pour pas grand chose.

À mon humble avis les SEC n'ont plus leur raison d'être.

Pour ma part j'aimerais mieux payer plus cher les cartes, en sachant que cela sert à payer les filles correctement et que cela permette à Totem de survivre.

Car si Totem disparaît, il n'y a plus de programme, et si on aime le produit, comme je l'aime, ce n'est pas à l'avantage des gens ici.

Évidemment plusieurs ne voudront pas cela. Ils préfèrent prendre le risque de gagner, sans trop s'arrêter aux pertes, en se faisant à croire que le tout s'équilibre pour eux.


This is certainly what they want people to believe, to succeed in attracting so many people at a high price, to succeed in making money. It's like a worm on a hook.

It becomes special, if you're lucky, to be able to get a card that isn't special at all.

The original objective of these cards, which was to build loyalty among people and to give this card as a gift to incite people to buy all the cards of a month, was quite simply distorted, for a matter of big money, made easily to the detriment of several customers, because there are more losers than winners in this way of doing things, except for Totem. I am still talking here about the SEC that can only be obtained through games of chance, with no certainty of obtaining them.

What he gains in profit, he loses in respect of several customers, who in the end do not get the said card, or who realize after the fact how much it cost them for very little.

In my humble opinion the SEC is no longer relevant.

For my part, I would rather pay more for the cards, knowing that this is used to pay the girls correctly and that this allows Totem to survive.

Because if Totem disappears, there is no more program, and if we like the product, as I like it, it is not to the advantage of the people here.

Obviously many will not want this. They prefer to take the risk of winning, without focusing too much on the losses, by making themselves believe that everything is balanced for them.

@ComteDracula
Sorry for the miss spell.
I am mostly sorry for you, but if this spell, as you say, suits you, good for you.

Je suis surtout désolé pour vous, mais si ce sortilège, comme vous le dites, vous convient, tant mieux pour vous.

Son of Dracula was on TV the other day.
To hide his identity, he called himself
Count Alucard.... (backwards!!!! tricky !!!)

I never said it was Totem's fault I spent the credits @batavus. That's not the debate here.

My point is that Totem really should provide a mechanism for loyal customers on the top tier to obtain the cards at a more reasonable rate.

As @ComteDracula rightly pointed out, Totem adds insult to ***** by refusing to answer our questions or suggestions on this topic. It is arrogant and disappointing. I know they are better than this - but their business practices aren't aligned to fair and reasonable trade.

This is why I will be stopping giving my money to iStripper once my next collection goal is reached.

@wt private
My reaction was not against you. But it's all about being against the SEC's.
Being disappointed these cards are not better than others while you spent more credits to get them.
And it is your good right not spending more money on istripper.

Je possède les cartes SEC, qui s'obtenaient, comme c'était prévue au départ, pour souligner les évènements vraiment spéciaux (comme la période des fêtes, calendrier de l'avent, etc...) à l'achat de toutes les cartes d'un mois.

On peut peut-être considérer que gagner une SEC soit aussi un évènement vraiment spécial 😕

No use to fill sorry for me, I don't besides as the cost of the games I play I spend more going out to eat and going
to the bar and am sure you younger people do also.

the more you B & C the more Totem/iStripper now's it's doing a dang good job

Actually its doing a terrible job in regards to this. If you mean make more money? Sure plenty of ways to take advantage of people to make more money on what otherwise is a good product.

EA made like $6b or more I think it was off this tactic in FIFA alone in a single year.

Its all about how you measure yourself and your company. Sorry don't work for a "profit by any means" in real life so I can't identify with this concept. Like I said before is what it is just at least get odds posted. Long term this current model will be stopped.

@ComteDracula
Sorry for the miss spell.

I am mostly sorry for you, but if this spell, as you say, suits you, good for you.

Je suis surtout désolé pour vous, mais si ce sortilège, comme vous le dites, vous convient, tant mieux pour vous.

@ComteDracula
Sorry for the miss spell.

@ComteDracular
So I guess we should just scrap the whole system and start over with one price fore each card no matter how
many cards you have and then everyone would be happy and pay the same and could buy every card, even
the SEC'S.

Didn't I know Dracula was so hard to write?

The system has been modified by Totem, with the obvious aim of making even more profit by giving the illusion of obtaining cards, without the certainty of having them. (hence my comparison of the siren song).

So it is to them that you must ask why they broke their initial promise, to better exploit the weakness of certain people.

However, don't expect too much of an answer from them, as you can see in the link to these questions on the forum.



Je ne savais pas que Dracula était si difficile à écrire ?

Le système a été modifié par Totem, dans le but évident de faire encore plus de profit en donnant l'illusion d'obtenir des cartes, sans certitude de les avoir. (De là ma comparaison du chant des sirènes).

Alors c'est à eux que vous devez demander pourquoi ils ont failli à leur promesse de départ, pour mieux exploiter la faiblesse de certaines personnes.

Par contre ne vous attendez pas trop à une réponse de leur part, comme vous pouvez le constater en lien à ces questions sur le forum.

@ComteDracular
So I guess we should just scrap the whole system and start over with one price fore each card no matter how
many cards you have and then everyone would be happy and pay the same and could buy every card, even
the SEC'S.

@BushViper357

You are one of the customers who paid top dollar for playing SECs, and who refuse to accept that others might pay less for those same cards.

You deny yourself that Totem can accommodate people who refuse to play games.

What would you say if I objected, having followed the departure rules of the SEC, which Totem does not allow, as it was expected that the people who did not want to participate in the starting offers, who was d 'buy all the cards of an event x, can not get these cards anymore, once the offer ends?

Because that was what was planned.

Yes there are more loyal customers, and the people who own all the cards are certainly one of them. These people, by their purchases and the money invested, deserve to have access to these cards, by having the possibility of buying them.

I see you also have a large collection.

The difference between you and less is that you have succumbed to the song of the sirens. And that you don't want to admit to yourself that you got screwed.

Not me.

Worse, you want others to fall for the trap as well, by not accepting that you may have been wrong for being tricked.

***** not, there are several like you here.



@BushViper357

Vous faites partie des clients qui ont payés le gros prix en obtenant les SEC par les jeux, et qui se refusent à accepter que d'autres pourraient payer moins cher pour ces mêmes cartes.

Vous vous refuser que Totem puissent accomoder les gens qui refusent de jouer à des jeux.

Que diriez-vous si je m'étais objecté, ayant suivi les règles de départ des SEC, que Totem n'autorise pas, comme c'était prévu que les gens qui n'ont pas voulu participer aux offres de départ, qui était d'acheter toutes les cartes d'un évènement x, ne puisse plus obtenir ces cartes, une fois l'offre terminé ?

Car c'était cela qui était prévu.

Oui il y a de clients plus fidèles, et les gens qui possèdent toutes les cartes en font certainement partie. Ces gens par leurs achats et l'argent investi, méritent d'avoir accès à ces cartes, en ayant la possibilité de les acheter.

Je vois que vous avez aussi une grande collection.

La différence entre vous et moins est que vous avez succomber au chant des sirènes. Et que vous ne voulez pas vous avouer que vous vous êtes fait avoir.

Pas moi.

Pire, vous voulez que d'autres aussi tombe dans le piège, en n'acceptant pas que vous avez peut-être eu tord de vous avoir fait piéger.

N'ayez crainte, il y en a plusieurs comme vous ici.

@wtprivate- Like I said to each is on, If you don't like the way the site is run why are you here.

@BushViper357 - so basically your premise is that Totem should rip everyone off equally, and we should be grateful for it?

@batavus,

If you had followed all the posts I wrote on this topic, and if you look at the title of this discussion thread, it's pretty easy to understand that I don't own all the SEC cards, and am not against all of them. the ways to get these SEC cards.

I have the SEC cards, which were obtained, as was originally planned, to mark really special events (like the holiday season, advent calendar, etc.) with the purchase of all one month cards.

I have no problem obtaining SEC cards under these conditions.

By the way, it was the special events that were highlighted, and it was never the card, which was special. That's why we say it's a special event card.

It's more from Melena Maria Rya's card, in September 2019, that things turned sour. I finally managed to get this card, with the joker card given in the Premium Member purchase offer.

However, in the same offer I lost the Sky Blue special event card.

It was at this point that Totem decided to release cards that are obtained only through games of chance, with no guarantee of being able to obtain them, and it is since that time, that I hardly get these cards anymore, except that of Cara Mell, where I participated, because there was a specific way to get it with certainty.

It is this way of doing things, which has become more usual now for Totem, and which is increasing in frequency, where people can spend a lot of money, without being sure of getting these cards that I denounce. It has been since that time that we have seen a lot of frustrations for many clients here. Hope you don't think I'm the only one? You just have to notice the many threads on this subject on the forum, to realize it.

And I have absolutely the right to denounce that, whatever may say about it here.

So I mostly have the special event cards from before this change, the ones where there was no problem getting them, if we were ready to buy all the cards for a month, and where there was certainty to have them by buying the cards of an offer x.

So I have 10 cards out of 18 cards.


@batavus,

Si vous aviez suivi tous les messages que j'ai écrit sur ce sujet, et si vous regardez le titre de ce fil de discussion, il est assez facile de comprendre que je ne possède pas toutes les cartes SEC, et ne suis pas contre toutes les façons d'obtenir ces cartes SEC.

Je possède les cartes SEC, qui s'obtenaient, comme c'était prévue au départ, pour souligner les évènements vraiment spéciaux (comme la période des fêtes, calendrier de l'avent, etc...) à l'achat de toutes les cartes d'un mois.

Je n'ai aucun problème a obtenir des cartes SEC dans ces conditions.

En passant c'était les évènements spéciaux qui étaient soulignés, et cela n'a jamais été la carte, qui était spéciale. C'est pour cela que l'on dit que c'est une carte évènement spécial.

C'est plus à partir de la carte de Melena Maria Rya, en septembre 2019, que les choses se sont gâtés. J'ai finalement réussis à avoir cette carte, avec la carte joker donné dans l'offre de l'achat membre Premium.

Par contre j'ai perdu dans la même offre la carte évènement spécial de Sky Blue.

C'est à ce moment que Totem a décidé de sortir des cartes qui s'obtiennent seulement par les jeux de hasard, sans garanti de pouvoir les obtenir, et c'est depuis ce temps, que je n'obtiens presque plus ces cartes, sauf celle de Cara Mell, où j'ai participé, car il y avait un chemin spécifique de l'obtenir avec certitude.

C'est cette façon de faire, qui est devenu plus habituel maintenant pour Totem, et qui va en augmentant en fréquence, où les gens peuvent dépenser beaucoup d'argent, sans certitude d'obtenir ces cartes que je dénonce. C'est depuis ce temps que l'on constate beaucoup de frustrations pour plusieurs clients ici. J'espère que vous ne pensez pas que je suis le seul ? Il faut juste se rendre compte des nombreux fils de discussion à ce sujet sur le forum, pour s'en rendre compte.

Et j'ai absolument le droit de dénoncer cela, quoi qu'en dise plusieurs ici.

Donc j'ai surtout les cartes évènements spécials d'avant ce changement, celles où il n'y avait pas de problème à les obtenir, si nous étions prêt à acheter toutes les cartes d'un mois, et où il y avait une certitude de les avoir en achetant les cartes d'une offre x.

Je possède donc 10 cartes sur 18 cartes.

To all, I consider every one on this site to be a loyal customer are they would not be here. I don't think just
because I have more cards than another that I should be treated any different than anybody else when it
comes to the SEC cards. And to save you from asking, yes I am a collector and my collection is full with all
the SEC cards as others do.
And I do like the games here and that is up to me to play not anybody else. As for the Jokers on and average
I spent 245 credits on a Joker (about $25 USA$). These numbers are baised on the 15 Jokers i have right now.
If you don't like the games don't play. If you don't like the way the site is run maybe you could start your on
site and see if you can do a better job.
Enjoy and have a great time with the girls.😎

I never said it was Totem's fault I spent the credits @batavus. That's not the debate here.

My point is that Totem really should provide a mechanism for loyal customers on the top tier to obtain the cards at a more reasonable rate.

As @ComteDracula rightly pointed out, Totem adds insult to ***** by refusing to answer our questions or suggestions on this topic. It is arrogant and disappointing. I know they are better than this - but their business practices aren't aligned to fair and reasonable trade.

This is why I will be stopping giving my money to iStripper once my next collection goal is reached.

Monday, September 28, 2020, Ginebra Bellucci & Anissa Kate are having lazy Monday morning pleasure 😍

Thank you all for your help … I asked in the Forum because I am sure I am not the only collector … we are a special breed

Well excuse me Mr. 2007, but you should know better. Remember when this particular product was actually several different products produced under different names, and one could only get the full experience by subsidizing several different iterations of the same?

'Know better' than what? I actually have no clue what you are saying but wonder if I did understand would there be point? Possible language barrier I guess?

I do remember when there were 2 names for the one product but as far as I remember I only installed the one product and could buy all the cards. But maybe you had to install both and once done you could then buy any card from either.. honestly not sure. And there was a guy product that didn't intrest me. And, I'm pretty sure the product (or products if you prefer) was rebranded for Dorcel and maybe others at one time. That could make it 'several' or more I guess?

This is my best guess otherwise I'm totally missing what you are saying; either way the point is lost on me.

My how times change.

This I understand. Yes this is true but not always for the better. But again while I understand the phrase .... the point is lost on me? And I still reserve my right to '***** foul.' 😄

Who speaks of truth.

All have their truths.

This is not the truth that we are talking about here but a possibility for Totem to accommodate people who are just collectors and not gamblers.

You're happy with the game, and Totem's policies suit you, so much the better.

This is not the case for many here. I am not the only one to experience frustration, facing cards that I am willing to pay more to get them outside of games.

Respect the way other customers look.

I'm sick of people who speak for Totem.

I'm sure there are people at Totem who are smart enough to find ways to keep all of their customers happy while still making money. Otherwise there would be no customer service in the shops. By what right do you allow yourself to speak for these people?

If this thread isn't for you, there's nothing stopping you from looking elsewhere on this forum.

It is precisely this kind of reaction between members who divide unnecessarily, that I see and deplore with the SEC that can only be obtained through games.


Qui parle de vérité.

Tous ont leurs vérités.

Ce n'est pas de vérité dont ont parle ici mais d'une possibilité pour Totem d'accomoder les gens qui sont juste des collectionneurs et non des gamblers.

Vous êtes comblé par le jeu, et les politiques de Totem vous conviennent, tant mieux.

Ce n'est pas le cas pour plusieurs ici. Je ne suis pas le seul à vivre des frustrations, face à des cartes dont je suis près à payer plus cher pour les obtenir en dehors des jeux.

Respectez la façon de voir des autres clients.

Je suis tanné des gens qui parlent à la place de Totem.

Je suis certain qu'il y a des gens chez Totem qui sont assez intelligents pour trouver des façons de satisfaire l'ensemble de leur clientèle, et ce, en continuant à faire de l'argent. Sinon il n'y aurait pas de service à la clientèle dans les commerces. De quel droit vous permettez-vous de parler à la place de ces gens ?

Si ce fil de discussion ne vous convient pas, rien ne vous empêche d'allez voir ailleurs sur ce forum.

C'est justement ce genre de réaction entre les membres qui divisent inutilement, que je constate et déplore avec les SEC ne pouvant s'obtenir que par les jeux.

@ComteDracula : How many SEC's do you have ? Just a few of do have you all of them ?

When you have all of them, it's now hypocrite to tell you're against these cards.
I can't get rid of the thought you have all of them.
I don't have any and when I read the comments it's just a normal card, it's only hard to get. And I can't get rid of my opinion you're frustrated these cards are nothing more than just a normal card of the girl.

When you just have one or two SEC's and noticed these cards are not that special and you won't chase after them anymore, you have the right to *****.

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WayneStewart

This is just my opinion but I like the IDEA of the SEC Cards, However I feel like they are straight up not worth it. I have like 6 or 7 SEC cards some from getting lucky some from spending like $50-$70ish and I can tell you that I only watch like 2, I've actually have deleted one (Just due to personal preference) But I feel like if Totem wants up to get these SEC Cards they really gotta make them special! Changing an outfit or having the girl do an XXX Clip just really isn't that special if you have 100's of other cards that you can get that are different from one another and they do just that. I guess in order to make people feel happy with the decision of SEC cards totem should Make it so "oh if you get these SEC cards expect more pictures of the girl maybe a different type of video with the girl" just something that makes those SEC cards stand out above the rest. I've lost my motivation to go for anymore cause when it all comes down to the show usually it's just a different outfit.

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Also just to add idk why they don't do what they did with the Cara Mell SEC Card all the time? Just improve that system even more and make it different every time but still have the same concept that if you play a game each one adds up until you get that SEC Card. Honestly probably the best way of doing it because it eliminates that game of chance and it also gives you the opportunity to either cash out and have some fun playing some games not worried if you'll have enough money to get the girl ORRRR just don't lol.

You accuse the company of preying on those who do have problems, then I say to you if someone has these problems they shouldn't be here in the first place.

Didn't read anything else you posted don't really care to. What you posted right here is enough to tell me you don't actually understand the topic at all.

Its fine you think everyone should have complete control over everything. Its an incorrect assessment of humanity but you have your views.

This discussion has been going on for years now in the video game arena but now is hitting on the poltical side where these loot box style mini-games that are gambling will likely be outlawed/regulated in the coming years. There is zero control on this system that should be there because right now in the law there is an unchallenged ruling that gambling laws don't apply to this sort of thing.

Truth is, SECs and gambling make the product sustainable for the company. So they are going to stay, may we like them or not.

No it is not because they have a fixed % programmed behind the scenes on how often to drop SECs. Take that total payment cost (minus winning that would have occured) add an extra 10% and charge that for the SEC.

In addition keep the games of chance.

On top of all this the only thing I ask every time this comes up is at the very least and I mean the very least they post the odds. That is a baseline requirement in my mind to even possibly defend this practice.

Who speaks of truth.

All have their truths.

This is not the truth that we are talking about here but a possibility for Totem to accommodate people who are just collectors and not gamblers.

You're happy with the game, and Totem's policies suit you, so much the better.

This is not the case for many here. I am not the only one to experience frustration, facing cards that I am willing to pay more to get them outside of games.

Respect the way other customers look.

I'm sick of people who speak for Totem.

I'm sure there are people at Totem who are smart enough to find ways to keep all of their customers happy while still making money. Otherwise there would be no customer service in the shops. By what right do you allow yourself to speak for these people?

If this thread isn't for you, there's nothing stopping you from looking elsewhere on this forum.

It is precisely this kind of reaction between members who divide unnecessarily, that I see and deplore with the SEC that can only be obtained through games.


Qui parle de vérité.

Tous ont leurs vérités.

Ce n'est pas de vérité dont ont parle ici mais d'une possibilité pour Totem d'accomoder les gens qui sont juste des collectionneurs et non des gamblers.

Vous êtes comblé par le jeu, et les politiques de Totem vous conviennent, tant mieux.

Ce n'est pas le cas pour plusieurs ici. Je ne suis pas le seul à vivre des frustrations, face à des cartes dont je suis près à payer plus cher pour les obtenir en dehors des jeux.

Respectez la façon de voir des autres clients.

Je suis tanné des gens qui parlent à la place de Totem.

Je suis certain qu'il y a des gens chez Totem qui sont assez intelligents pour trouver des façons de satisfaire l'ensemble de leur clientèle, et ce, en continuant à faire de l'argent. Sinon il n'y aurait pas de service à la clientèle dans les commerces. De quel droit vous permettez-vous de parler à la place de ces gens ?

Si ce fil de discussion ne vous convient pas, rien ne vous empêche d'allez voir ailleurs sur ce forum.

C'est justement ce genre de réaction entre les membres qui divisent inutilement, que je constate et déplore avec les SEC ne pouvant s'obtenir que par les jeux.

For me, it's Totem's answers that really interest me.

Well, I couldn't care less about there being cards that exist that I don't have, nor the means or methods by which they are produced and sold. No company in the world has an obligation to give you everything you want. You can protest a business decision all you want, but don't make the mistake in thinking you are more "right" than anyone else.

I'll quote your own words for context:

You have the right to your opinion, it is worth mine.

Exactly.
Neither of our opinion are worth two buckets of spit.

@GreyWolfNH

You have the right to your opinion, it is worth mine.

For the rest that leaves me quite indifferent.

For me, it's Totem's answers that really interest me.

So much the better if you like games of chance. I respect the people who choose to play it, but I don't feel the same respect from some gamblers, towards those who don't want to participate and get these cards otherwise.


@GreyWolfNH

Vous avez le droit à votre opinion, elle vaut la mienne.

Pour le reste cela me laisse assez indifférent.

Pour moi ce sont les réponses de Totem qui m'intéresse vraiment.

Tant mieux si vous aimez les jeux de hasard. Je respecte les gens qui font le choix d'y jouez, mais je ne sent pas la même respect de certains gamblers, face à ceux qui ne veulent pas y participer et obtenir ces cartes autrement.

they will have their collections sabotaged with SEC that cannot be bought and obtained.

SABOTAGE

Such strong words. No one owes you 100% completion as if this is some kind of video game.

Now what will Devil's Advocate say to those like us who invested in this way of seeing Totem, and who saw the rules of the game change along the way ? Will he laugh with the Devil at the bad blow he inflicted on these buyers, who believed and who still believe in this product, who apart from these frustrations, which are distortions, remains a good entertainment?

It is good entertainment, and quite profitable too. I actually enjoy my time here, and I consider the value for money spent to be perfectly acceptable.

You see? We can agree to disagree. I like the slot machine with sexy ladies on it and you don't.
Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

I have been a member longer than you and have nearly 5 times a many cards as you so let me say I "***** foul" as well. When I joined you could buy any card you wanted without playing the fool.

Well excuse me Mr. 2007, but you should know better. Remember when this particular product was actually several different products produced under different names, and one could only get the full experience by subsidizing several different iterations of the same?

My how times change.

I never said I had a mental illness problem.

Going out of your way to misunderstand what I said is a form of mental illness these days. So you'd best get tested.

You accuse the company of preying on those who do have problems, then I say to you if someone has these problems they shouldn't be here in the first place. In your particular case, I was using a non-specific "you" to address your concern, not making a specific reference to you personally. I don't even know who you are, and I wouldn't do you the disrespect to make assumptions about your life and your problems.

You should be careful how you interpret other people's words.

You should do the same.

Totem has changed the way it acts and attracts people by giving them the illusion that they will acquire SEC cards by playing their games. They make them spend a lot of credits and money and often without being able to get the card they wanted.

See, my contention is the use of the word "make". Totem does not "make" anyone do anything, and your accusation that playing the game does not lead to acquisition of a SEC is provably false. I got four Jokers on the slot machine for the parting of a few dollars. However, as with any game of chance, there is always a possibility you will lose.

I don't want to gamble, I just want to be able to buy cards and watch pretty women dancing on my screen, without having to play games of chance to try and get them.

No, what you want to do is kick up a fuss and ***** that you didn't get something specific you wanted. There are literally thousands of cards for sale. Go find one. If you don't like the games of chance then don't play them. No one is ***** you to do anything. It's your money, spend it however you want, or don't even spend it at all.
If you choose to gamble, prepare to lose. Try acting like an adult and make a rational decision.

What grind my gears is you trying to pull some sob story about, "Oh the poor victims of this ***** practice," as if we're not all full grown adults here to consume porn and jerk off.

"Oh, the poor victims," Indeed. Grow up.

As a lawyer, I believe the Devil would get rid of your services fairly quickly.

I think the Devil would be fine retaining my services. Apparently I'm the only one around here who understands you don't get everything you want handed to you on a silver platter, and that when you gamble the House always wins.

It's good to have that kind of perspective on retainer.

VR and LiveGirls should have a much higher profitability and as a business itself it should be more lucrative.

My point exactly. The world is full of people who think they know better than the creators and operators of a successful product and business model. If you're so good at analyzing business, why don't you go play the stock market and leave the rest of us alone?

Let me just say this loud and clear: I LOVE PLAYING THE SLOT MACHINE GAME.
There. Now we have officially registered a contrary opinion. So when this company continues to live and thrive, giving you what you want, you can come thank me for putting my money in the slot machine and keeping the machine going. You see, I'm a man of the people. The people want porn, and I'm going to help them get it.

I have been a member longer than you and have nearly 5 times a many cards as you

I'm quoting this drivel for posterity.
Your 'Holier Than Thou' attitude is an inspiriation to internet chat rooms everywhere.

Under these conditions it is useful to say on the forum to future iStripper customers, that after spending several thousand dollars on cards, they will have their collections sabotaged with SEC that cannot be bought and obtained. (maybe if they're lucky) at a high price, while living in the frustration of not actually getting them. Especially since many of these girls, but not all, are among the favorites.

And at the end of the day being seen as an old sock, after paying all that money, no longer being customers for them to consider.

Maybe this will make these future customers think twice before investing in iStripper.

An informed customer is worth two, when the rules of the game are clear at the start.

Now what will Devil's Advocate say to those like us who invested in this way of seeing Totem, and who saw the rules of the game change along the way ? Will he laugh with the Devil at the bad blow he inflicted on these buyers, who believed and who still believe in this product, who apart from these frustrations, which are distortions, remains a good entertainment?

For my part, I don't like running away from a problem. That would be making it too easy for Totem.

They have the ability to find alternatives for their best clients, but pretending nothing has happened helps no one, and they included.


Dans ces conditions il est utile de dire sur le forum aux futurs clients d'iStripper, qu'après avoir dépenser plusieurs milliers de dollars pour des cartes, ils vont se faire saboter leurs collections avec des SEC ne pouvant s'acheter et s'obtenir (peut-être s'ils sont chanceux) qu'à gros prix, tout en vivant dans cela de la frustration de ne pas les avoir au final obtenu. Surtout que plusieurs de ces filles, mais pas toutes, font partie des préférées.

Et à la fin se faire considérer comme une vieille chaussette, après avoir payé tout cet argent, n'étant plus des clients à considérer par eux.

Peut-être que cela va ammener ces futurs clients à y repenser à deux fois avant d'investir dans iStripper.

Un client averti en vaut deux, lorsque les règles du jeu sont claires au départ.

Maintenant que va dire l'avocat du Diable à ceux qui comme nous ont investi avant cette façon de voir de Totem, et qui ont vu les règles du jeu changer en cour de route ? Va t-il rire avec le Diable du mauvais coup qu'il a infligé à ces acheteurs, qui ont cru et qui croit toujours à ce produit, qui en dehors de ces frustrations, qui font distorsions, reste un bon divertissement ?

Pour ma part je n'aime pas la fuite face à un problème. Ce serait trop rendre cela facile à Totem.

Ils ont la possibilité de trouver des alternatives pour leurs meilleurs clients, mais de faire comme si de rien n'était n'aide personne, et eux inclus.

Is this right. I have to be in the software to add a card to my wish list and can not add a card to my wish list if I'm on the website?

@DTH77

Right, you can add a card to your wishlist from the carosel or the model's card page.

Also to see my wishlist I have to be on the website and not in the app but to add a card I need to be in the app.?

To see your wishlist in the GUI (app) - can not see the wishlist on the website

Go to the Girls Store
Click on Selections
Select Wishlist

Is this right. I have to be in the software to add a card to my wish list and can not add a card to my wish list if I'm on the website?
Also to see my wishlist I have to be on the website and not in the app but to add a card I need to be in the app.?

Dear friends. I think that wasting time on this is an unnecessary wear and tear and I explain it to you this way:

What is IStripper?
Pornographic multimedia platform

What does it consist of?

• A semi-collectible system of low-cost cards
• Higher Cost VR Videos
• Live Girls Web Cam service of May value still
• The cards are what is called ¨comidity¨para hooking customers with higher value services or products ( like when you go to buy bread and end up leaving the supermarket with a full cart). You went to buy 1USD and left spending 50 USD for the promotions, hitches and all the machinery arranged for ¨consumer¨

VR and LiveGirls should have a much higher profitability and as a business itself it should be more lucrative. (it's a matter of looking at the values of those services)

The SEC, will never disappear, it takes very few to sustain it as a business area. Commercially it is better for a SEC player to spend 100USD to get a card than 100 spending 1USD buying cards that are outside this system.

Being the devil's advocate part 2 I would say the following:

The company or service provider:

• I give you a moment of entertainment for little money under my conditions that I hope you like and accept, if you don't like these you can be so kind to go your way as you are an adult and independent person who knows what he is doing and can use his individual right of choice and spend his money where and how he wants.

The user or client:

• Thank you for your product or service, I appreciate what you offer me, but today you do not meet my personal expectations, and I decide to take other entertainment options that life offers me.

I understand that you do not want to change because it is not in your interest, since I am not the target you want to retain or capture today.
I don't blame you or judge you for that.

When 1 side of the headphones stops playing or sounds bad...The music is no longer the same.