This another one from Kami is a classic to me!!

I love Nikita's style on this card!! Her panties seems like flakes on an ice cream here! Very exciting!

Zafira wins.....

Zafira 12

Aleska Diamond 8

Zafira now faces Kari

Starts now 12:00 P.M. Central European Summer Time (Paris Time Zone)

Zafira's position on the ladder is no. 42, her current winning streak is 8

really a good idea to open an extra Thread from Wyldanimal. Thank you for that.

Now we see that his opening points:

The Current Issue is that the Ladder Thread is posting the Rules and Ladder too Frequently.
Also that too many voters flood the topic with picture each time they vote.

never was the real problem!

The real problem seems to be the "Last 50 posts" function only.

Well I didn't saw this problem before because as a long time member I've never used this
(to me) senceless function.
If I want to see the latest (hottest) posts I see it on the forum start page in a timeline ordered by threats.
I never spent my time with reading 49 mixed posts I'm not interessed in just to find the one I was maybe looking for. The start page already sorts this for me. And for all other things there is a nice little search function in here.

So, the problem is that different users have a different usage of the forum. And every thread with a few daily posts will float the "50 posts" function everytime.

In other words Mods will have to close every thread who will be used with a daily high frequence for "some reason".
Doesn't matter if it's a game or whatever. Doesn't matter if many people have fun there or not there will always be others who don't want to see it.

The only way to avoid this without skipping the function or skipping the fun of customers would be to put high frequently used Threads out of the "last 50 posts" counting somehow. and everyone would be satisfied.

would be my suggestion

thank you

Then the first 10 pages of the Everything about Virtuagirls will be filled with nothing but ladder threads.

Website changes for a thread that is causing problems? I don't think we need any website changes, we need to decrease dramatically the impact this thread is causing or close it.

As some said here, myself included, since some users are having fun with it I won't go at first with the most obvious choice of just closing it. But I don't support the notion of this going on as it is now just with a little twist that would hardly make any difference. Only logical choice then, IMO, is a new set of rules that speed the elimination process and gives the ladder game a definitive, foreseeable end in the near future.

WA is totally correct and while I may not know as much as he does about bra sizes from around the world, I do know that my wife has to be very careful when ordering from overseas because of the differences.

Most lingerie web sites will give alternate international size charts, unfortunately for us in the Land Down Under, they never seem to include us, only UK, US and maybe European.

Have we ever considered closing a competition thread when it is won and then starting a new thread? That might save the Hot Topic List?

I have drawn critism in the past for not acting against this thread and my rational was then as now, a number of members enjoy it.

But, as 91hebasu has posted, it also annoys a number of members because of how it swamps the board.

Currently there is no filter for blocking out threads that you are not interested in. This was something that Cybervixen repeatedly asked for, with out much success (not for the lack of trying).

Restraint in all things, usually makes the world go smoothly.

Paula Shy are they panties if so it is sexiest I seen, what dose everyone else thing?

I am accustomed to the Measurement used in the Garment Industry.
The Chest is Measured Just Below the Breast.
And then the Size of the Breast is the Cup size.
Cup size is Determined by the Difference between the Chest Size and the Over the Nipple Size..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoqXCnYOwCI

But there is no international accepted Standard..
So it's any Woman's Guess what Bra and Cup she should be..


So for example a 36B cup, would be 92CM measurement, with a Small Breast size.
And a 30DD, would be 76CM, with A Large Breast size.

The missing Information that isn't presented from VG is the Cup Size.

One Chain, Victora Secrets..
Use a Different Measurement System.
The Chest is Measured Above the Breast, Not Below the Breast.
And An Above the Breast Measurement will be 4 to 6 inches greater than the Below the Breast. 10 to 15 CM larger.

So women Who are used to a 30D, will get a 36D from Victora Secrets.

http://www.victoriassecret.com/bras/how-to-measure-bras

Re: The Black list would be Blocked from your Viewing them as part of the Last 50 or Hottest topics, but you Could still browse to them by Opening the Forum they are contained in.

The black list would certainly work for me. I don't need a white list because I can always go to the correct section and open the thread. Another alternative that might required less programming would be a new forum section whose thread would never appear in the top 50 list. People who want to follow those threads could go to that section and open them. The only drawback of this excluded section would be in letting new members know what was present, but that might be solved by allowing the hot topic list to continue to include those threads.

I created this Thread and made it A sticky So as it wouldn't get Lost..
I'm hoping that with enough member Feed back, we'll have a good amount of info to Discuss.. Between the MOD's and the Team..

A very Good Point has been presented by Several members Who have expressed that they would rather Not see the Ladder, or similar High Activity Threads, Dominate the Last 50 or the Hot Topics.

Maybe that can be Motivation for the Team to give the Members some form of Forum Filter.
Maybe a White List and a Black List.

The White List would be your Favorite Topics.
One Click takes you there..

The Black list would be Blocked from your Viewing them as part of the Last 50 or Hottest topics, but you Could still browse to them by Opening the Forum they are contained in.

any way, this will only remain open long enough to get feed back.
Then it will be closed and the Sticky removed.

Re: The first configuration change I can think of is to close the thread.

That's not a configuration change. That's simply a moderator action. I'm wondering how the function of the forum could be changed without programing effort. Most systems like this forum have a lot of set-up characteristics that can be changed with only a little effort. I wonder if that kind of change could help resolve the problem WITHOUT ***** the ladder. Is there a solution outside the box of our current set-up?

Re: Games I've played have always had an ending.

Once upon a time I studied Game Theory. You've described a finite game. Sorry to correct you, but the ladder is a finite game. It's just a very long one. It can be mathematically proven that the ladder must end, but it may take quite a while.

corrected 2 typos

That's a very good point 91hebasu, and considering that there are new girls added weekly, making the ladder literally endless. I'm starting to feel like Mario over here^

It seems that most of the girls' bust measurements are taken from their bra size (measured below the breasts) rather than the traditional western hemisphere 'pin-up' measurement taken around the nipples). This presents some culture shock for this Australian. I am used to a bust measurement of 85-90cm meaning the girl is fairly well endowed up top. And a measurement around 75cm meaning she is 'flat as a board'. Yet VirtuaGirl lists Mandy Dee of the generous D cup breasts with a mere 76cm measurement, but Shabba, of similar height and weight, with a 94cm measurement. Hard to reconcile that with Shabba's B cup breasts.
Then there are those girls who have had enhancements between their first group of cards and subsequent appearances. In each case the bust measurement is unchanged, despite the obvious visible difference. Examples include Zafira (compare cards 294-299 and 776-777) and Miss Roxx (cards 244-248 and 646-648).
Then there are some girls whose measurements seem to have been taken differently, perhaps around the nipples. Compare Chikita (ht 163, wt 50, bust 91cm) with, again, Mandy Dee (ht 165, wt 52, bust 76cm). No way is Chikita 6 inches bigger in the bust than Mandy. Must be different measuring methods.
The inconsistency is frustrating to me. But then I am a bit of a numbers geek! LOL

Zafira

Zafira 12
Aleska Diamond 8

@Dorsai6,

Sure......The first configuration change I can think of is to close the thread. That would definitely stop the issue with it overwhelming the forum and preventing important information from getting to the members, moderators and The Team.

It would also trigger a flood of complaints for a while too.



Another thing to add to the thoughts.......

Games I've played have always had an ending. Some point where it's completely played through. This particular one currently has no end in sight. It's been intentionally set up that way. To dominate the forum and never end. Which is why I refer to it as The Never Ending Ladder. Funny, every ladder I've ever climbed has also had a first step and a last step.

This has been commented on before, but I must ask explicitly: Are there any configurations changes that be applied to the forum set-up that could mitigate the problem we have with the ladder?

I will add my few cents about this.

As a mod, I will discuss this with me fellow mods extensively. One thing is that this discussion hopefully would not be just to keep this issue the same it has been with a little twist just to keep it going for the next ten years.

Since some members are having fun with this, and most of them are just playing with no further agenda, I would like to find a solution for their game to keep on without the annoyance to the rest of the community.

These forums are visited by many, many more members that never post that come just to look for information. They don't engage on debates, they don't play games. They just come to see what's up with Virtuagirl. The universe of VG customers is not composed only of those that manifest their likes or dislikes about the ladder.

Totem use this website primarily to help users with their issues, provide information about their products and as a place to "DISCUSS and share their OPINIONS about Virtuagirl". The ladder is a game that has been taken the spotlight for more than a year now, dumping out the valuable info out of sight. A game can't be more important than a post a team member did to inform the users about the product. Can't dump out debates or info about fixes. This nonsense needs to end now.

Even with the extended view I have as a mod of the 50 last posts I often find the ladder as the sole thread taking up to the 40% of the whole posting with nothing but votes and updates and I did miss information I found much later. This is *****.

Moderators are obligated to keep the forums redable and useful for all users. And they must think about users, probably the huge part of them, that never post but are regulars to the forums too. And if you want evidence of that, just look how many posters you have in any casting thread compared to the number of votes.

The ladder as a game, yes.

The ladder as a perpetual spamming machine. No way.

If you're a regular of the ladder, and a member that also use the forum for other stuff, you should see this is a problem and you might be more than willing to contribute to a nice solution. We are all members here, we all must be respectful of the other members and contribute to a healty forum and not one that any newcomer would see and think: what the hell is this?

As a member I never cared about playing the ladder, so I never posted there, against or else. As a mod, I can't ignore this problem and I won't. ;)

Ok guys I say we gather all the suggestions made from this thread and make another thread with a poll to figure out once and for all what to do. We can call it the "VGHD Virtuagirl Ladder Competition Idea/Suggestion Poll Thread!". And make it a sticky too, of course.

edit: forgot to add the exclamation mark after Thread.

Well, Dorsai said almost everything .. I personally don't like the Ladder either and would be pleased to see it go. Why!? Because can't see any usefulness to the forum of this thing running. To have fun .. ?? Fun's OK, I can understand that, but the point is, dear gamblers, your fun is taking over my fun. I do not visit Ladders, but 50 Last Posts, which used to be my fun to read and find the different forum's stuff more easily has become a part of the Ladder Competition. Majority of posts there are now from that thread, and I had to quit to visit this topic, because it's really annoying to scroll through all those votings out there every time to find something really interesting .. creative might say.

As by its design Ladder is going to never end I'd suggest to put wires to this thing to produce free electricity for Community, plus hide it from the sight }:-)

It's like a wheel .. You might find this thing stupid, but scientists have found out that hamsters and mice are running it for fun.

Zafira

Zafira 11
Aleska Diamond 8

Thank you but i was talking about the ones that have only 15 picture

Zafira

Zafira 10
Aleska Diamond 8

My thoughts basically now we have yet another thread to discuss the Ladder, bang goes the 50 last posts even more and some members enjoyment of this forum.

The ladder thread has been an annoyance to those not interested ever since it was opened, I find it amusing that we are still going over this issues 156 pages on, instead of some meaningful action being taken long before now, it's not like is the first time this issue has been raised and surely wont be the last, until members are given a better way of filtering out new posts since their last visit this issue will continue.

And really this gets a STICKY??????

Honestly Spave, that ball was already in motion.

It just worked out that you had posted pretty much exactly what I was about to post and it made more sense to me to just use your words. I realize it kinda put you on the spot but, it was going to happen anyway.


Everybody, please share your thoughts and suggestions so we can get a better feel for the situation at hand.

Thank you

first of all i want to apologise that my suggestion for a member/voter gets that stone rolling.

but i keep by my thoughts. every member/voter who wants an actual ladder the girls who knocked off or the actual rules can save them as a simple .txt-file and keep them updated by her-/himself. that's no big thing. i do this by myself.

when the rules are changing - and that's not so often - the changes can be posted in the thread.

i agree that it's enough when pics of the girls are only posted at the beginning of a challenge.

i hope we all calm down and have again FUN with the ladder competition!!!!!!!!!


@Dorsai6,
i see much more than one thread in the hot topics that i'm not interested in.

Ok, here's one person's opinion.

I don't follow the ladder thread. It doesn't interest me. However, it is relevant to VG and a considerable number of members seem to enjoy it. Therefore, it should continue.

I wish there were some way I could more effectively ignore it, but that would take a change to the forum software which I don't see happening.

I wish the folks who participate in the ladder could keep the number of messages down. Sometimes there are so many that the to 50 messages have overflowed from one visit to my next. I don't like it when that happens, but it isn't ***** me either. I don't see how you can regulate this. I think it would be too much effort for the moderators to try to police a lot of rules. I suggest that the ladder participants try to exercise a bit more self control. Perhaps the ladder participants might send private messages to people who get carried away. Internal self control is better then outside policing.

Image don't bother me because I don't see them. There might be a bandwidth issue with regard to the servers, but that should be up to Totem to address.

One persons opinion.

BOTTOM LINE:

I'd be happy if the ladder went away, but I don't think that would be fair to other members of this forum who enjoy it. I'd like to see fewer messages, but I don't see rules and regulations as a workable solution. I think the ladder participations can reduce their footprint here and I'd prefer them to work out how rather than the moderators to impose a solution.

Thank you @Wyldanimal for opening this thread & making this a "Sticky"

I will open a thread for the Team and Mods to discuss what we all think is fair.

But we would Like to Hear from the members Who enjoy this Competition.
And the Ones Who Don't.( Edit)

AS a MOD, every so often we get complaints about some threads.
Some are Legitimate, and some we have to Defuse so they don't Explode.

Please try to Keep your Discussion civil..
Rant if you Must...
But No Personal Attacks or *****..

The Current Issue is that the Ladder Thread is posting the Rules and Ladder too Frequently.
Also that too many voters flood the topic with picture each time they vote.


My Personal View:

I would Like to See the Rules and Current Ladder Status in a Separate Thread.
Use That Thread to Keep Just the Rules updated, and where the Current Ladder Is.
Even if it's Needs a bit of Intervention from one of the MOD's to edit the Rules or Status Posts.
As long as it's only a weekly or Every other week task.

Thoughts on the Voting:

I don't want to Hinder the FUN..
It Should Be FUN.. Let's try to keep the FUN in It..

But I also don't want to See Every Vote also Include a Picture..

At the Start of a New Competition, Post Pictures of the Models..
Include some Model Info too...
Like She's Currently 30th on the ladder..
Her longest winning Streak was 5 in a row..

( don't need to post the Whole ladder )

If Mid way through Voting, You see your Model is falling Behind..
Ok, maybe Post Her Picture again with your vote to Try and Sway the Votes..

but it Shouldn't turn into a Picture Battle..
I see no Issue with pictures used in moderation.
But A Flood of Pictures. NO!

Commenting about your Vote or the Models:

Yes, please do comment about your own Vote..
Why you picked her..
A comment Does not need to also have a Picture..
your words should be enough..


Frequency of Competitions:
I think the Current Rules of One Competition a Day is working Good.
So I see no need to make any changes there..

Okay, those are my thoughts...

WyldAnimal - Mod and Member..

For the Sake of tying to get back on track
I started a thread for open Discussion

Forum > Everything about VirtuaGirls > Ideas: VGHD Virtuagirl Ladder Competition!
http://www.virtuagirl.com/forumPost.php?foId=3&ftId=27673

Please use that New Thread to post your Ideas and Thoughts about what is going on..

For Now, Continue with the Voting untill we reach some agreeably terms.


I cast My Vote for
Zafira

Zafira 9
Aleska Diamond 8

I created this Post So we have a thread to Discuss the Topic of the Ladder Competition and similar thread.

Presently the Ladder Has Veered Off Course and Too Much Discussion in the Voting Thread.

So Please bring your Discussion to this Thread.

SoNice52 almost hit the nail on the head.

Take out the fun and take out the followers.

Too many issues for me....

Zafira

Zafira 8
Aleska Diamond 8

Both beautiful. I vote for Aleska because I appreciate her dancing.

Zafira 7
Aleska Diamond 8

Wow! did we ever get off topic. Lets try to steer this back in the right direction.

Zafira

Zafira 7
Aleska Diamond 7

You are mistaken on all counts pikawell.

Also, I read both. Nice Translator does OK. Just didn't feel the need to respond to the first one.

If you had any real interest in the game, you wouldn't let a little rule change bother you so much. But, if no pic posting means a bunch of crying and no more votes from certain members, so be it.

If you want to get all bent out of shape because you've been told not to dump any more pics in one of many threads you use for that and leave, that's your decision. You're free to continue dumping pics in the other threads you use for that. As long as you don't get carried away.



Edit:
To all......

For now, this is the way it's going to be. Perhaps we can work things out in the near future. Negotiations are not impossible. Don't lose hope.

New girl Subil Arch has a profile & some links on Freeones

http://www.freeones.co.uk/html/s_links/Subil_Arch/

off course ,now i spam , just because off a 2nd post in english ,because no answer were give,and if you look better ,the 2nd got a question wich wasn't in the first!
but as always the power of "moderationo" give wings to nmember ,who were with the same opinon as me in the past !
it was my last post on this formu, i had hope that ,it changed ,it was a mistake , !!

Quote by Relmurmot
“my 2 cents worth.... yes, its a good idea to post a pic of the two girls matched up, please allow it to continue. - and a bit of humor ( and/or pics thereof ) should be allowed, as its suppose to be ' fun'.. I'm ok with the way things are”

Quote by SoNice52
“would like to know why posting a picture with your vote or speaking after a challenge is such a problem? If your voting anyway whats wrong with a picture add to it to help persuade people to vote for your girl. Not being able to speak after a challenge is silly! Especially when I was told to keep everything about the ladder in this thread after I created a new topic. If this thread is a problem on the hot topic list because its a hot topic. Why dont you guys just increase the number of hot topics allowed on the hot topic list? That way everyone wins and you dont have to worry so much about or "bumping".”


I agree with what Relmurmot & SoNice52 said. I believe we should be able, along with voting in this thread, be able to have a bit of banter and humor in this thread, along with posting the odd picture here and there. It is not as though this thread is like those continuous “The Girl with the most finest tits on VG and DB ” & “Most stylish/beautiful backside” picture threads.
I also enjoy seeing the stats member84392371 puts up every now & then as well. I think if we take away all the fun elements in threads like this members will loose interest and start not to visit the forum as much. I’m sure Totem doesn’t want that!
I think there should be encouragement to post as this is a forum after all and that is what it is for, it is here to voice your opinions and ideas & have a bit of fun within the forum rules. I think too many unnecessary rules like not being able to post the odd picture that is related to the thread, or no talk/banter between votes would spoil things a bit.

I will say no more!

Aleska Diamond...How beautiful

Aleska...7
Zafira...6

I used to have a library that listed all clips but it became to much to handle... You can still find most of the really old cards listed on my fan sites but the old libraries are no longer updated.

Now I only make quick reviews of the VG cards and that more than enough work! =)

http://www.virtuagirllibrary.com

http://www.deskbabeslibrary.com

Cheers
//Jununger

@pikawell

Your recent comments only make it very clear you were never really interested in the "VGHD Virtuagirl Ladder Competition!"

You only wanted it to be yet another thread for you to dump photos in. In other words.........To spam.

Aleska Diamond

Zafira 6
Aleska Diamond 6

si je ne peux plus poster d'images, ce topic ne porte plus aucun intérêt je ne voterais donc plus.dommage c était sympa avant !surtout que m 'explique pourquoi poster des images des filles sur un site de "fille nues" est un probreme ?


If I cannot post any more images, this topic got no more interest so i won't vote anymore plus.shame it was nice before! explainme why to post images of the girls on a site of " girl naked " is a problem?

Tereza

Zafira

Zafira 6
Aleska Diamond 5

Aleska
Zafira - 5

Aleksa Diamond - 5

Definitely Zafira for me

Zafira - 5

Aleksa Diamond - 4

Aleska for me... so Zafira 4 , Aleska Diamond 4 ...tie match.

Zafira

Zafira 4
Aleska 3