Rex
TEAM
Joined in Sep 2007

365 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
As I was explaining in a post last February, we’re rolling out some changes to the XXX cards format and free previews.

Some discussion started in another thread here. I closed it to add a poll to this one.
https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/36431#post535975
Everything about iStripper / New XXX format cards
@Terbone If you stay around as long as I have you learn a few things. One thing deskbabes wasn't originally a explicit version of VGHD/istripper. It started as a alternative to VGHD just like VirtuaGu...
Some (quick) nudity will is now allowed in Free Previews. Models and photographers have been requesting a bit more freedom to make appealing teasers. I don’t think there has been any negative feedback about this.

We started producing iStripper XXX cards with a content that stays closer to regular cards, with an explicit twist and two or three masturbation / orgasm clips on the table.

We’re not trying to save on production costs here, the new format costs the exact same.

Our motivation is to produce a better content. We felt and heard from members that the previous XXX format was a bit boring to watch, scenes were too long and it was too close to a (bad) porn flick.

I already saw in another thread that the new format was missing the girl’s introduction and that they were no sound. Both will be fixed in future productions (although we can’t record sound when the models are dancing because we’re playing music in the studio).

We think it’s important even for XXX cards to stay closer to the original VirtuaGirl DNA. We’re producing girls on the desktop, not porn movies.

We are very interested to hear your feedback about it. Staying close enough to the DNA of our product (girls dancing on your desktop), what’s missing or need to be changed in the new XXX format?

Girls introduction: Ok, we’ll bring that back

Sound: Ok we’ll bring this back as well

If you think the old format was better but needed some changes, what are they?

Does the new format need more explicit clips on the table?

Longer explicit clips?

Actions need to be more explicit in dancing clips?


Let us know :)

What's your opinion of the new XXX cards

799 votes

The old format was better, we should have kept it
16%
The old format had its flaws, but we should have just tuned it
18%
The new format goes in the right direction, but needs significant improvements
27%
I love the new format, it just need a bit of tunning
39%
Terbone
Joined in May 2013

238 post(s)
May 10, 2017
***Comment to Rex***
Thanks for the Poll, Rex! :) I really appriciate the oppertunity to send my vote in this. For me it is pretty obvious I have chosen for "The old format was better, we should have kept it" (Deskbabes Format) easy to read all over the Forum.


DuziKolo
Joined in Apr 2015

57 post(s)
May 10, 2017
For me the most important flaw in the new format is a lack of sound.
Introduction, dirty talking, all that made it different from "regular" shows.
Glad you are planning to address that part.

Second: unlike people that ***** I quite enjoyed longer scenes.

And yes, explicit content was important. Else it's not really XXX card - some of "regular" cards have some XXX content in them already, so not sure how would you draw the line here...?
Dorsai6
Joined in Apr 2013

1025 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I voted "I love the new format", but I need to explain myself. I don't buy many XXX cards. Only about 10% of my collection is XXX. I am happy that you are making the XXX cards more like the regular cards because I am not that interested in explicit performances. I mainly bought XXX cards to hear the models speak.

Having said the above, I must point out that you have a group of customers who clearly do like explicit content and would like more of it. Reducing the explicit content may lose sales to that community without increasing sales to people like me.

Your problem is that your customers are not a single homogeneous pool. Just trying to satisfy a statistical majority may ***** your sales. The best example of that is the group here that wants to see more variety the body type and race of the models.

Obviously every card must earn back its cost of production, but a relatively low-selling card that attracts customers who otherwise do not buy many cards may be good for Totem's long-term health.

As some have suggested you should consider ways to better inform your customers about what to expect from particular cards. This may include new descriptors in the Girls Store category list, a new type of collection, and making the clip list available in the card details of the Girls Store before a card is purchased.

Rather than making the XXX cards more like the regular cards it may be better to make them more different. Perhaps the XXX hotness level should be subdivided into warm-up and orgasm? Here is a related idea: Right now progressive hotness is either on or off, but we can't trigger when a show steps up a level. It might be very useful in an XXX show to be able to easily trigger when a model goes to the next hotness level. This might be done with a new right-clip option.

Here is an example of what I have in mind: I set show duration to all clips. I activate iStripper XXX only. I click a new checkbox below progressive hotness called "controlled hotness". An iStripper XXX card starts playing but only the first two hotness levels. It continues playing clips for the same card from those two levels until I right-click and select the new "hotter" control. Now it plays only clips that are topless or nudity. Each time I select hotter it moves up a level until all I'm seeing are XXX clips. The card doesn't change until I right-clip and select next model or next outfit at which time the hotness resets to tease.

I can think of lots of ways to embellish the above capability. You might offer 3 or 4 levels of controlled hotness where the user can defined which hotness level(s) each level of controlled hotness includes. You might allow the user to preset that the hotness level steps up after a certain number of clips have been played at a particular level. You might allow the users to select staging as well as hotness level. For example, I might want to start every new card with a window washing clip if one was available. Or, perhaps I want a mix of standing and pole clips at the first level and on bar teasing clips at the next with XXX only at the highest.

I see I have drifted off topic so I'll stop now.

Terbone
Joined in May 2013

238 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
***Answers to Rex's Questions***
> If you think the old format was better but needed some changes, what are they?
The old format was good as it is, that is the main reason you have me as customer :O :O and check out what I purchesed so far!! (So, will you really tell me Deskbases wasn't a "Success")

> Does the new format need more explicit clips on the table?
Yes, Totally!, let me explain: The New XXX rated format has to BE exact like the old format.. with all it's content and sound + yeah, and that extra content you wish to add as iStripper Company, aslong I see complete 40 á 50 minutes of Explicit Content and same kind of content in it as by "Deskbabes".

> Longer explicit clips?
Yeah!, More Explicit Content. doesn't really matter how: More Clips OR longer in duration, but how it is now, Just terrible short and very few clips.

> Actions need to be more explicit in dancing clips?
To be honest? for Striptease & Dancing I buy iStripper Regular cards WITHOUT any doubts. Dont want to be rude here but for me Dancing Clips doesn't even bother me in XXX Rated Cards :S.. because I dont support the "Full Package" Idea and I buy these cards for The Explicit Content (The Deskbabes Purposes), I simply dislike 'ONE' type of card that contains all (To messy in my opinion).

***Free given Comment as Feedback***
For years I experienced the luxery to be able to buy two types of cards that both fullfill my wishes, my desires. So, Free that I have felt... the Choice to be able to buy a Explicit Card and a Striptease card...3 cards regular & Cards of explicit of one specific model, Totem Entertainment gave me that oppertunity and I did embrace that, watch my card collection. It is really sad, since the New XXX Rated format that confortable feeling is totally gone
😢

😪I really hope for the best with this "Poll"😪
SatansFarmor
Joined in May 2011

29 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I personaly stopped buying xxx cards when it was only "table" and fake pleasure sounds. Hope the new cards Will be more like the old ones. Kari and Abigaile are few of the models that had a Good xxx card
KatzPaw
Joined in Apr 2015

395 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
I enjoyed the old format, but they did get repetitive because they were primarily all table clips. The addition of the pole clips was great, but now the standing and pole clips are watering down the xxx content. Pretty sure the people buying the xxx cards liked having table scenes that were 10+ minutes. Give us at least one decent long table scene. Give us some heavier petting in the standing, pole scenes... it's xxx it should be different than the normal cards.

Oh yeah another thing, models I didn't really care for their awkward moves on the normal cards I could always count on the XXX cards for some hot action.
nana08
Joined in Feb 2009

1804 post(s)
May 10, 2017
je répondrais a ce sondage que quand il sera fait en français
Jefe2643
Joined in Jun 2011

16 post(s)
May 10, 2017
What I liked about the new formats is that the xxx scenes came out complete
desexyvideoclub
Joined in Sep 2016

102 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I feel like I should write my opinion about the topic:

If I understood the article correctly, cards that are having XXX rating will now have more XXX previews attached to them.

I think that this change is very major because I used to "sit on the fance" for a few months before I decided to start buying cards, during this time, the zero nudity was boring to watch and I deleted the program and didn't come back to it for a few months. So in other words - allowing previews of actual XXX action is very benefical since people who do not want to pay are getting a reason to keep the program on their computer and therefore getting advertised, which is very likely to make them become a loyal buyers later on.
FaceAngelic
Joined in Jan 2016

2 post(s)
May 10, 2017
XXX is garbage and has no place in iStripper shows.
G315t
Joined in May 2012

2 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I can't rate, because I do not have any of the new XXX cards. I never buyed them, because I felt the old ones that I have a few of, were quite disappointing. The sound was very bad recorded. At least on the few I had buyed.
Amelly
Joined in Jan 2008

376 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
25% of guys prefer old format and I am not agree with them.
New format is better, don't change it please.
I can't be more explicit in my message because my english is not perfect.
Terbone
Joined in May 2013

238 post(s)
May 10, 2017
XXX is garbage and has no place in iStripper shows.

Just because of members like "FaceAngelic" with full repect we need two types of cards :( because I really do like them.. I dont think it is "Garbage", but I respect your wishes.... and YEAH I agree with you ... there is No Place for Explicit content In cards like iStripper... but iStripper XXX card is a TOTALLY different kind of card.
desexyvideoclub
Joined in Sep 2016

102 post(s)
May 10, 2017
Here are functions I think that istripper does should include so please hear me out:

1) Hotkeys, especialy for "full screen" and "next model"
2) Music and sound control - both having the option of tunning down and up music / sound with control bars and also the ability to choose the next song to be played in the playlist.

Other than that, I think istripper is very good as it is.
Terbone
Joined in May 2013

238 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
really, why peeple dont understand we alrdy have Regular cards ?? we just need sound in those cards... not XXX Rated Cards being replaced :O :O

I really dont understand: Every single New Model produce "Regular Cards"... Why,.. Do.. WE .. Want another Regular Type Cards? (honest question, really)
Hellster
Joined in Apr 2008

1 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
+1 on the longer/more explicit clips on the XXX cards.
For the ones not nterested in this, you could always add more options for displaying clips, ie: disable the explicit content in the Istripper options, we could also do with hotkeys for skipping to the next clip on a card, instead of having to right click on the model and clicking on the boobs thumbnail/icon.
Theo
MODERATOR
Joined in Sep 2007

88 post(s)
May 10, 2017
The very first row of deskbabe cards (1 ~ 60) had a relative balanced rate between nude and xxx content (my impression 50:50).
This first row had also a relative balanced rate between standing-xxx and table-xxx content (50:50) as well as the nude content.

Everything was perfect these days and the audience were able to imagine that the crew (girls and film stuff) made an effort to record a good show.

At some point it droped down to have only table clips - that was not good. The cage thing was a nice idea but didn't hit the target. At one point we had only naked girls on the table with the old in- out- game without teasing.

So, my opinion - back to the roots. With todays experience and engineering (sound, resolution, wider range of equipment, abillity of shooting liquid, foam, swing etc.) that can't be a bad idea.

Balance seems to be the magic.
Heels are not Heels if they're only there for 30 sec. of an amount of 20 min. show duration. Than it is barefoot.
Teasing is not if a girl is naked in a wink of an eye. The highlight of a gift is mostly if you have unpacked it so far that you're able to see what's in there. If you know what it is, it becomes boring. And I'm pretty sure that a girl can tease also during xxx. For which reason else things like lingerie and high heels etc. exist? Cause they're extremly convenient?
And even if it is only pantieless barfoot, in sneeker, boots or what else.
goodwolf
Joined in May 2011

233 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I like XXX both old and new. What I don't like is watching fake orgasm (all of them are) sometimes even "fake" masturbation and girls licking their fingers (this become more regular, I don't know who might be turned on by that really, not me for sure) also licking their different "toys"... as long as they don't lick mine it gives nothing watching it... if you know what I mean. Use those "toys" for it's purpose, which is not licking for sure.
Table clips are good, the more the better, but agree not all the clips shall be table clips just most of them.
Deskbabes was cool for duos, but noted, that will not be continued, so we can say goodbye for duos :(
tarafett
Joined in Apr 2008

2 post(s)
May 10, 2017
Duos were one of my most favorite type of card. and the old system was better
tarafett
Joined in Apr 2008

2 post(s)
May 10, 2017
Duos were one of my most favorite type of card. and the old system was better
Richie94
Joined in Nov 2015

89 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
i like the new format since it includes standing clips, it just needs audio
Nebal
Joined in Feb 2015

227 post(s)
May 10, 2017 (edited)
Duos would be nice with mutual masturbation, I mean the girls fingering themselves side by side. Toys are nice but I prefer fingers! I would pay an extra fee for this
SpaveInvader
Joined in Oct 2010

919 post(s)
May 10, 2017
i agree with @Theo,
at the beginning of DeskBabes we had a good balance of standing and table clips. with the wider range of equipment we can get a better diversity in the shows.

so get back to the roots!

in one point i disagree. i really like the cage clips.
Regulus
Joined in Nov 2016

239 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I enjoy the new format.
The girls are incredible, please add audio.
Thanks to all.👍
stefnev1
MODERATOR
Joined in Jul 2008

4454 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I like the new format. iStripper has changed in a good way for me, and the girls are more beautiful than ever. XXX allows some diversity instead of erotic clips only, but not too much for a product like this one. I just would like more diversity in ethnicity (black and mix-raced girls).
By the way, thanks to the team for the great job done to enhance the product 👍
Wyldanimal
MODERATOR
Joined in Mar 2008

3758 post(s)
May 10, 2017
The very first row of deskbabe cards (1 ~ 60) had a relative balanced rate between nude and xxx content (my impression 50:50).
This first row had also a relative balanced rate between standing-xxx and table-xxx content (50:50) as well as the nude content.

Everything was perfect these days and the audience were able to imagine that the crew (girls and film stuff) made an effort to record a good show.

At some point it droped down to have only table clips - that was not good. The cage thing was a nice idea but didn't hit the target. At one point we had only naked girls on the table with the old in- out- game without teasing.

So, my opinion - back to the roots. With todays experience and engineering (sound, resolution, wider range of equipment, abillity of shooting liquid, foam, swing etc.) that can't be a bad idea.

Balance seems to be the magic.
Heels are not Heels if they're only there for 30 sec. of an amount of 20 min. show duration. Than it is barefoot.
Teasing is not if a girl is naked in a wink of an eye. The highlight of a gift is mostly if you have unpacked it so far that you're able to see what's in there. If you know what it is, it becomes boring. And I'm pretty sure that a girl can tease also during xxx. For which reason else things like lingerie and high heels etc. exist? Cause they're extremly convenient?
And even if it is only pantieless barfoot, in sneeker, boots or what else.

Spot on Theo! I agree 95%..

But I lived the CAGE clips! They were Over done though...
Bring it back, but not on Every single card...

I think because it is a difficult prop to set up. Once set up they shot as many clips with it so not to set it up, break it down, set it up, break it down so often...

But once they removed that Center Bar, and got the process right. I really liked the addition of the Cage.

Go back to the Roots of VG in the Beginning....


peterbanker
Joined in Jan 2009

214 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I agree with the comments about the cage clips.

My favourite clips are duos where one model is handcuffed/tied to the cage.
As mentioned previously not in every show but where two models can produce a great dom scene.

Now perhaps off topic but I cannot see the point of the swing.
I find them clips boring.
TokyoGorePolice
Joined in Oct 2015

79 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I've never really been interested in XXX cards or Deskbabes as a product, so for me, if there is mostly dancing in the new format then I am more likely to buy than the old format.

I can't comment more than that on the new format because I haven't seen any cards I actually want yet (that are finished ;).
Dorsai6
Joined in Apr 2013

1025 post(s)
May 10, 2017
I like with @theo said.

Re: Balance seems to be the magic.

I would say that variety is the magic. As I said in my post, the tags on a card should be meaningful. Tagging a card as "high heels" when they are only worn in part of one clip is misleading to someone who really likes them. Perhaps we need a way to distinguish between something that is briefly present and something that is a major feature. One solution might be to add accessory tags to the clips, but that would take a lot of programming and also post-production data entry.

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