But the supposition expressed in that final sentence is incorrect - the primary purpose of iStripper is, and should be, to make a profit for Totem. Customer satisfaction is important but secondary. We may not like this, but it is a fundamental aspect of any business.

@TheEmu

Sorry to butt into the conversation, but I'm afraid I disagree with your point about customer satisfaction. A company is a group of of people doing stuff in their own interest. Some people want money to make their lives better, others have money but want to watch dancing girls. Profit is just the reward for the people who make vids of dancing girls and bring them to us.

Totem's real investment is in the idea of bringing us dancing girls, along with their hard work to make it happen. Now they have had another idea: that people who watch the vids might also like to play games. If the customers don't like it, Totem will stop doing it (as they did with VirtuaGuy, iDancer, etc.). Customer satisfaction is not secondary. It is equal to the producers' satisfaction with the profit they make.

Profit is the measure of success, not the god of business. But it's what motivates the producers and is more important to them than the satisfaction of an individual customer.

My point is that @Corbomite has made an important distinction. The games are a separate business. What the game customer enjoys is the chance to win a unique item. But those customers who enjoy a "full" collection of purchased cards are, of course, left out in the cold.

The solution might be to exclude the game cards from the Girls Store and from the purchase stats. List them elsewhere. Make 'em in a different format. Anything that doesn't cause all this furore.

@HazelEyes - the slot machine did not feature joker cards.

So wheres was the winners ofs the jokers cards from this slot machine promotions published?

@Carbo - you wrote

@WyldanimalIt seems to me that you have 2 opposite ideas. In this thread you're approving @Corbomite who's in favor of gambling as the unique way to get special event cards, and in other threads you're approving those in favor of a well defined path to obtain special event cards.Which of these is you're way to see it ??

My Thumbs up, was approval of @Corbomite 's post
it was well presented.

@Corbomite expresses my view on this matter.

In another thread @ComteDracula has said

My pleasure is to have the opportunity to acquire all the girls' cards by purchase and not the chance, and to be able to make them dance on my screen.

It seems to me that this should be the primary purpose of iStripper.

But the supposition expressed in that final sentence is incorrect - the primary purpose of iStripper is, and should be, to make a profit for Totem. Customer satisfaction is important but secondary. We may not like this, but it is a fundamental aspect of any business.

In this thread you're approving @Corbomite who's in favor of gambling as the unique way to get special event cards

Hi @Carbo. Actually, I'm not in favor of using gambling as a way of getting special event cards. I'd prefer to be able to get them through a guaranteed process without spending an excessive amount of money. However, regardless of my preference, the reality is that Totem now has two different business models. My post was simply trying to raise awareness of this so people can adjust their expectations accordingly. I suspect that @Wyldanimal was approving my observations, not the gambling model itself.

@Wyldanimal

It seems to me that you have 2 opposite ideas. In this thread you're approving @Corbomite who's in favor of gambling as the unique way to get special event cards, and in other threads you're approving those in favor of a well defined path to obtain special event cards.

Which of these is you're way to see it ??

@Corbomite

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@Wyldanimal,

It is obvious that the notion of pleasure is not the same for everyone.

Totem needs to find, and quickly, something other than gambling and slot machines to satisfy people in agreement with me in connection with special event cards, because personally, I have less and less fun to frequent iStripper.

My pleasure is to have the opportunity to acquire all the girls' cards by purchase and not the chance, and to be able to make them dance on my screen.

It seems to me that this should be the primary purpose of iStripper.


@Wyldanimal,

Il est évident que la notion de plaisir n'est pas la même pour tout le monde.

Totem a besoin de trouver, et rapidement, autre chose que le gambling et les machines à sous pour satisfaire les personnes en accord avec moi en lien aux cartes évènements spéciaux, car personnellement, j'ai de moins en moins de plaisir a fréquenter iStripper.

Mon plaisir est d'avoir la possibilité d'acquérir toutes les cartes des filles par l'achat et non le hazard, et de pouvoir les faire danser sur mon écran.

Il me semble que cela devrait être le but premier de iStripper.

@Wyldanimal
What is not really clear in this @Kaiju statement, is the words "NOT based only on luck but". In my mind it means something like they will increase the chances of winning based on the player's loyalty. That I'm not interested in since you still need luck there's still a possibility you mist it.

Need some j-rock....

Band-Maid - Domination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmxEuQXTHUU

Ali Project - Kyomu Densen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We_uZ7-_HmM

Aldious - Fragile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajIozAHYfT4

Faylan - Dead End
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0I1r8ARhs

Lovebites - Rising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B70JsOpmUGE

Destrose - Maze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k91x6-XST8

Yousei Teikoku - Rebellion Anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_hfM30CLI

Sasaki Sayaka - Break your world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CzJyOmWQyM

Belka is unbelievably beautiful... and she teases so well

Loyal customers do not deserve to be treated this way.

Let's say I have been consistently buying candy and lottery tickets twice a week at my local convenience store for the last 20 years. If I go to that store tomorrow at the same time as a guy shopping there for the first time, I won't be surprised if we pay the exact same price for the candy and have the exact same chance of winning the lottery. I certainly don't feel like the store is abusing me.

iStripper also sells two different product lines: cards and gambling "tickets" (e.g. scratch cards, slot machine spins). However, unlike the convenience store, iStripper rewards loyal customers with free credits, level discounts and access to additional forums and functionality. We would all love to see them extend those rewards so loyal customers got tickets with better odds of winning, but Totem is not obligated to do so and they are not mistreating loyal customers if they don't.

Like it or not, we should understand that iStripper now has two different business models: selling cards and running gambling games. Right now it's easy to ***** the two because the products and rewards are the same type of item. However, if the gambling stream is very profitable, the special event cards might be the first in a long line of unique items that are only available through the gambling route. I suspect my will power is going to take a beating. 😐

I do like the Idea of an Exclusive card available during a Special event.
That I have no Issue with..

I also Like the other TGIF events that I can take part in.
Like the Slot machine. I set a limit to how much I will spend, trying to win more Credits.
Same with the Scratch off Tickets.
I set a Limit at the start and I don't sway from it.
It is, for me, FUN that way, without the frustration. Because I know exactly how much I'm going to spend.


I think in the future it will more tolerable to many more members.
No more cards Released in a game of Luck...
For me, that is all I wished for.
A clear defined way for a member to obtain the Card on it's Initial Release.

and now with @Kaiju making this Post.

it's obviously still frustrating when you have no luck. That's why we have decided to work on new means to obtain special event cards NOT based only on luck but as rewards for your LOYALTY.

https://www.istripper.com/forum/thread/42891/3?post=633527

I'm curious as to what totem means by "loyal"

I'm not sure that Totem uses that term. I would suggest that a loyal customer is one who continues to purchase a product over an extended period of time and in a significant quantity. I the case of iStripper, I'd suggest that any customer who is still buying an average of 5 or more cards a month after 1 year is a loyal customer. Clearly, collectors are the most loyal of customers by this standard.

Re: Wining Cards in a Lottery

Looking back over 6 months I find that I spent about 800 credit to "win" 6 special event cards. If Totem had set a fixed price of 100 credits per card I for those cards, I would not have purchased them. My conclusion is that Totem has found a way to make more money and I was stupid enough to go along. I will not make that mistake again.

Same for me, Belka is over the top 💖 💋 🔥

I'm curious as to what totem means by "loyal", and what the new path to special events is. It may be quite different than what we are thinking.
Is it people with 4000 cards? Is it people who have hit triple diamond? Is it people who have been here for X amount of time? Is it people who have X amount of forum posts?
I suppose we'll find out later this year, and we'll all be ***** again when it isn't what we're expecting, or hoping for.

@FalconAF

Now that I can agree with - but it is not what you wrote about in the portion of your post that I quoted.

OK, let me try this another way so you'll get a better understanding of my "complaint".

There are EIGHTEEN "Red Fox" cards on iStripper now. I owned...by purchasing...ALL of the available ones she had BEFORE one came out as a "special event card", and was therefore unavailable to me UNLESS I would "gamble" for it. Since that "special" card came out, Totem released MORE of her cards, which I ALSO purchased. So now I have SEVENTEEN of her cards, but can't get the 18th one UNLESS I'm willing to GAMBLE my money to get it?

Not in my lifetime. I've been a "loyal enough" customer by purchaing 17 of her cards already. Why is Totem telling me, "Sorry! The only way you can get her other card is to GAMBLE your money for it...with NO GUARANTEE you WILL get it."

Well, sorry...but I'm not that stupid.

The part of your message that I quoted in my reply, and to which I was reponding, was where you were talking about OTHER (your emphasis) gambling games offering you old cards.

So, what part of "I can't buy THOSE 7 cards" don't you understand? By drfinition, they aren't even SPECIAL. They are just part of a marketing scheme connecting them to a special "event".

All I want is what I come here for...to be able to BUY model cards without getting "gouged" price-wise trying to do it by "gambling" or having to play a "lottery".

But you CAN buy any cards (other than the 7 special event cards) without getting gouged and without gambling.

I don't know where you came up with that conclusion, but it's not "what I want" at all. So please don't put words in my mouth.

All I want is what I come here for...to be able to BUY model cards without getting "gouged" price-wise trying to do it by "gambling" or having to play a "lottery".

As for"price reductions"? Totem already feels I'm worth that as a "loyal customer" by giving me a Double Diamond 40% discount. So any "solution" to being able to get a "special event card" that would cost me MORE than the BASIC no discount price for a card...ANY card...is rediculous.

It's as simple as that.

And any of the OTHER games that promise I WILL win a card of SOME sort? Sorry, but if the card you are gonna give me is already 5 years old and in 1080p or 720p and I didn't buy it 5 years ago or SINCE then, why on earth do you think I'd be happy winning THAT card to begin with? I haven't wanted it for 5 years already. Heck, just send me something else useless for my hard earned money I give you.

Totem already give you a way to obtain any other card you want, with the exception of the Special Event Cards. You can simply buy them at the price that they are offered. What you seem to want would amount to a simple price reduction on anything you want to buy - Totem even sometimes do this as a TGIF offer, but you can not expect any business to simply reduce prices because customers would prefer to play less.

@FalconAF
That's quite a long speech but I totally agree with the way you see things and that's exactly how I see it.

Yeah, it was long. But here's the real thing about it.

People are saying the Totem "Joker Card" is a "gambling game". Actually, it's not. Why? Because any intelligent gambler knows they can increase their chances of winning by playing a true gambling game smarter than other players do. That's how live poker, video poker, and all card games work.

The "Joker Card" event doesn't allow the player to do that. It's a LOTTERY ONLY. You spend your money to buy CHANCES to win something (a Joker Card). Every time you spend another credit to do that, it's like buying another lottery ticket. And there is NO GUARANTEE you will win ANYTHING when doing it, regardless of how much money you throw at it. Out of ALL the money (THOUSANDS of credits) thrown at the Joker Card game, there were only FIFTY winners of the Joker Cards. You might as well be buying lottery tickets hoping to win the "grand prize", which the probability and odds say isn't gonna happen to you, regardless of how money you throw at it. And here's the worst part. You might OCCASSIONALLY win some credits, but rarely will you win more credits than you spend. It HAS to be that way or Totem would be LOSING money running the Joker Card game.

Yeah, there will be SOME winners. But even 50 winners posting something saying, "Hey! I Won! So it's a good game!" just indicates how little they know about "gambling" and the true cost of it. Or it's the marketing strategy, hoping there are enough customers who don't understand they ARE throwing money away doing it.

And any of the OTHER games that promise I WILL win a card of SOME sort? Sorry, but if the card you are gonna give me is already 5 years old and in 1080p or 720p and I didn't buy it 5 years ago or SINCE then, why on earth do you think I'd be happy winning THAT card to begin with? I haven't wanted it for 5 years already. Heck, just send me something else useless for my hard earned money I give you.

It's not rocket science. I won't call it what it realy is, but marketing executives would use a term relating to the word "preditory" if they did.

AM I against the gambling games here? No! Some people will play them regardlees of how good or bad they may be financially. What I AM against is Totem making making me gamble to GEt some of their INVENTORY I come here to BUY...the Model Cards.

If you want to "play gambling games", make it like a real casino. Money in the machine to gamble, and money out if you win (substitute "credits" for "money" if you want, but it's STILL the same thing). But keep the INVENTORY of what is SOLD here SEPARATE from it. I come here to buy model cards. Not "gamble" or play a "lottery" to get them.

Those of you that found the accidental offering of male stripper cards was not to their taste may want to go to your vghd/data folder and delete the contents of the directories begining with the letter b.

Let's wait to hear what Totem will propose to us big spenders.

@FalconAF
That's quite a long speech but I totally agree with the way you see things and that's exactly how I see it.

This one is a very good and appreciated promotion! Thanks)

Yes, a good week to "catch up" on the older cards...... 😎

First, thanks to Totem for replying about trying to do something for their "loyal" customers concerning this fiasco.

Now, let me tell you what WON'T be a solution for me as an ALREADY "loyal" customer who is ALREADY receiving discounts for my PREVIOUS "loyalty".

I've been a member since 2008. I'm "Double Diamond" (sorry...I only buy the cards I'm really interested in) and ALREADY receive a 40% DISCOUNT on any cards I buy now. I do SINCERELY appreciate that as a "loyal" customer.

So, if any "solution" involves a higher price to me for one of the "special event" cards than what a customer who WASN'T already getting a discount (ie - a "new" customer with NO cards) is ***** to pay, I'm keeping my money. I would have no problem paying the "full price" a new customer would have to pay for any REGULAR card (ie - make me pay the regular price for the "spevial EVENT card" without my Double Diamond 40% discount), but I'm not paying or gambling outrageous amounts of money for the card that has been described as NOT EVEN SPECIAL in this thread, because it's the EVENT that is "special". I'd be willing to spend the REGULAR price for the special event card, but no more (while still keeping my Double Diamond 40% discount for all other cards...I'm either still "loyal enough" to keep that or not).

If anybody thinks I would ever pay $25 for ANY card here, they are out of their minds. I pay $50 for 500 credits when I buy my credits. I don't get a Double Diamond discount on that. And I will NEVER pay 250 credits ($25...or MORE, as some people have suggested) to get ANY card here, regardless of how "special" it may be.

Heck, I can pay $19.95 for 1 month for most of the "affiliate" sites Totem is associated with, then I could download the ENTIRE CONTENT of that site within 30 days...pictures AND videos (assuming I had the storage space for the content...which I do have). So I'm NEVER going to willingly pay $25 or more for a single card here. Nor risk GAMBLING that much (or more, as some have said they ended up gambling to get one of the cards).

I'm gonna assume there's a reason Totem terminated the old SUBSCRIPTION membership, and it's probably because MANY people got fed up with paying for cards they DIDN'T want to buy to begin with. For those people (like me and others) it costs us LESS to just buy the cards we WANT to buy. These "games" now ***** us to try to get cards we DO want, but end up getting other cards we DON'T want instead. And the same thing happens with the "Buy the whole month in advance and we'll give you the Special Event card". Ain't no way I'm spending money on a month's worth of cards I DON'T want just to get ONE card I WOULD want.

So, if the cost of a "special event" card to me will EVER be more than the price of a REGULAR card for a BRAND NEW MEMBER, I'm not buying it. Heck, as Wyldanimal and others have said, the CARD itself isn't "special", it's the stupid "event" that is. So don't make me pay more for the card than the highest cost it would be to a brand new iStripper customer with NO cards to begin with. I'm already "a loyal customer", so give me a break. If you know that MOST new customers are only going to stay around for 5 months (as the stated "statistics" in previous posts indicate), screw them around by making THEM "gamble" or "pay more" (like you ALREADY DO because I get a discount for being Double Diamond and they don't).

That's the terms Totem will have to meet to keep me a "loyal" customer, instead of jerking me around by making me gamble my money or pay some kind of totally outrageous price for a card that isn't even "special" itself, but just associated with a "special event".

Great, I had a lot of Classics still on my wishlist. Well, I still have a lot on my wishlist anyway, but this is a good moment to especially grab the classics.

OK Totem, you make me rearrange my top ten when you bring back a vastly improved Nici then you add the amazing Angelika Grays, now you are just messing with my heart as you introduce Belka. I may have a new number one! OMG I love everything about Belka, so thank you, again, Totem.❤️❤️😍

@ward666999

So, @Totem and Rest of Forum, I apologize for twisted comment, "I do believe there was something especially twisted about the Joker Card drawing. Check ALL winners names to see what I mean". Apology again.

👍

@Shadow24
Welcome to the forum and congrats.
Seen worse English, so don't worry, it's completely understandable.

I wonder why I don't see TGIF in the App?
Syncronized, restarted...
However, current Sales are there
(edit: I mean, it's not where it usually is: Featured -> News)

hello everyone,


my apologies for the fact that my englisch is not realy good.

I was ask´t to confirm on here that i have won a Joker card. and indeed receivt a joker card.

i am not realy a social type. And for that reasen i don´t realy use forums.

i got a joker card. And i am saving it for if a speacial event card appears.

but i hope that this clears things up for you guys.

with kind recards,
Shadow 24

if you don't see the "current sales" tab, it's because there are less than 10 different models in promo for you, based on your collection :-P
Go to Store and select "discounts" to see them :)

Restarted the software and the "Current sales" tab is gone.

Same here. For me this is no loss because the carousel would have been empty anyway.

This one is a very good and appreciated promotion! Thanks)

Did not restarted the software but the "Current sales" tab is now gone.
So seem fixed, thanks.

Shut down computer and restarted modem. Guys are gone, but no deal for this week.

Restarted the software and the "Current sales" tab is gone.

please try again now !

Guys with Guys instead of girls, please quit and relaunch iStripper, the problem is solved !!!

Same here, and my iStripper was off since last week, so it was a 1st start today...
And no, sorry, but it's not solved.

Restarted computer. Guys still there.

Restarting doesn't change anything, still guys on the carousell.

I forgot to add that when I did quit the app I checked with Task Manager that iStripper had indeed stopped running.

UPDATE: I just tried the ultimate version of quit and restart. I powered off and restarted my laptop. I still see the guys.

Me too.

@Celine - since seeing your post asking us to quit and restart I have tried that proceedure three times. I still see the guys.

Guys with Guys instead of girls, please quit and relaunch iStripper, the problem is solved !!!
Sorry about that 😂