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orclover
Joined in Jun 2012
1404 post(s)

Q&A super candy scratch

Everything about iStripper
March 22, 2020, 88 answers
@orclover

I pretty well agree with all that you have said in your last post. If you had said that instead of firstly calling Totem's games scams and then as "suspect" (with no qualification - "morally suspect" I would have accepted) then I would have had no comment to make. It really does help to say what you mean when you criticise something.

With regard to gambling in general, people can know what a gamble is without fully understanding the implications of gambling - in particular how probablility works. This, unfortunately, leads them to believe many false things (like runs of luck). As you say it took some of the smartest minds - specifically Blaise Pascal - to understand probability.

Speaking of scam, suspect...these are somewhat legal terms. The rule of law is arbitrary in many cases. For example, right now there are many thousands of people illegally downloading media, a few of them will get cease and desist letters, and a very tiny minority will ever get prosecuted. But they are all doing something illegal. Have software companies been sued for lootboxing and games of chance? Yes, ironically EA is being sued IN FRANCE by two separate entities for gambling in FIFA...which I believe involves their algorithms that change real-time to encourage more gambling and attracts ***** participants. Totem seems smart enough to cease and desist any illegal action once it becomes precedent but their current gambling system is likely in a similar category as the ones being tried in court. You cannot rely on the fact they aren't being prosecuted so they aren't doing anything illegal or scammy. If scammy, they aren't uniquely scammy, they just picked up the tools of other companies. Once again, I would be a little sad if they had to stop this easy flow of money because it honestly only makes my life better..my favorite product has more money and is more financially secure. But it doesn't make it morally good or legal.
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012
1404 post(s)

Q&A super candy scratch

Everything about iStripper
March 22, 2020, 88 answers
In theory you could have such bad luck that you never win.
@orclover - it is a gamble, and we all know that it is a gamble. By its very nature you can never be sure that gambling any amount of money will result in a getting what you are gambling for, be it a thousand, ten thousand, one million or even a billion credits,

It is not at all suspect (by which I assume you mean to imply that there is some sort of deception involved), though we may find it distasteful and some may have strong moral objections, but neither make it "suspect".

Lol, if we all knew what a gamble is...nobody would do it. Games of chance are set by the house to benefit the house in the long run, and always screw the player in the long run. Games of chance also release dopamine and create an addictive cycle while the house screws you over just enough that they win but you don't quit. The math is very clear, and has been worked out by some of the smartest minds on the planet earth. This gets us into some very philosophical territory. Should a person be allowed to be an *****, to experience the initial pleasure of addiction, and then face the terrible consequences without assistance? Or should we rid our society of ***** and addictive interactions to protect vulnerable people? I error on the side of giving choice but I also believe that we should have judgement while allowing choice. I judge that totem is wrong in doing this, that they have made a conscious decision to take advantage of vulnerable adults in order to improve profits, but I also benefit from their extra income and therefore am a party to the wrong. If you can't live with that reality and have to justify it another way then so be it.
orclover
Joined in Jun 2012
1404 post(s)

Q&A super candy scratch

Everything about iStripper
March 22, 2020, 88 answers
The legality of using games of chance to take money from people while there is chance you do not offer a service is still in question.I too don't like exclusive cards nor gamble games at all, but also have to say that such one is, a time more, not a right argument. Gamble on Istripper is not a money gamble, it's a mere credit gamble - and credits don't have any monetary value.
We don't purchase gamble plays - neither cards - with money here. Only thing we purchase with money on Istripper are credits, which have no real value, are not money and are not convertible back into money. Everything we then do with our credits is, economically speaking, totally fictional.

Moreover, we can dislike gambling games, we can ***** about existance here or frequence of gambling events (and I do), but it has to be pointed, also, that we totally know in advance what gambling is: a game of chance; so we will not be EVER be sure to win, even spending tons of credits. We know it: if one likes, he plays anyway - if he doesn't, then he should simply not play.
I find it's not right instead to gamble, and then ***** after not having won anything and because of that - which was precisely the nature of gambling. We knew it in advance.

Casinos can use "credits" as well. You can load "credits" on a card and then use the card to play different electronic slots and other games...these are some of the most nefarious games because the games can be manipulated real-time using algorithims. Totem obviously changes its games mid-week, often for the better but they still update them. The point is the games promise a service, but because of the randomness, do not always provide the promised service. ***** dealers, doctors, con-artists get in trouble for taking advantage of a sub-set of society who are vulnerable to making poor decisions. There is a ton of science behind the addiction associate with gambling and there is a fine line between obsessive collecting and collecting for fun. I have often had derision for people who ***** about losing at gambling, I do not gamble, but totem is not right in this...there is a whole lot of wrong. The company is wrong for putting its customers in this position, and the vulnerable customers are wrong for continually overpaying to merely fill a collection or a set. Why the heck can't totem just provide amazing girls...have a scratch game or two where new customers can win discounts to build up their accounts. Why do we need "not special event cards" that put full collectors in a vulnerable position, and why do we need games that are setup for people to only lose?