This why things are so messed up now. Instead of saying were going to push VGHD to a new level and fix whats wrong with a pretty good program now, they go and say Look here we're making a superb new product that could be done in VGHD be we just want to blow more money and try some thing different. Virtuagirl is modular so if u don't want to see the new shows just deselect or don't view it. This isnt VGirlHD vs VGuyHD.
This is pretty much we said weren't going to cross and a line and now their ready to jump over it. Just erase the line and move forward.

cdub87, I will just repeat myself from the other thread:
" looks like Totem was decided to keep VGHD "soft" as much as they can - in plan to get masses of customers who doesn't think they get some product to shame that they have it, so they can spread the world with that soft product"
From Totem's point of view - there is a sence to say - "VGHD is soft - come on everybody, take a look at and buy some girls" and also users will spread the VGHD, because it is "soft" product. Who wants "more" - go and buy "more" from "VGirlsExplicit"

Virtuagirl has always been in the middle between hardcore and fully-clothed performing for years. It is the middle.

Both extremes can get seperate sites. BOTH.
Virtuagirl is rated X. It is not rated R or XXX.
Without the fingering it is still rated X. Spreading lips, rubbing nude, and close ups of the pussy rate it X.
Those who want a R-rated shouldn't be so quick to point the finger to another site- they used to have an r-rated site. How did that work out?

This is not an R-rated site nomatter how people try to spin it.

Want a softer site? they can create one for you as well as creating a hardcore site. Leave virtuagirl in the middle. Rubbing, touching, occational fingering, spreading, teasing.
Most of us like choice. We choose what to download and keep. We like the choice of regular, softer, non-nude, and fingering.
Be careful what you ask for. VG goes soft it will only keep going softer til it is limp. No touch, No pink, no close ups of bush. Same as cable tv

I suppose, that such level explicit as in a card 409 (Marie - Pink Palace) will arrange all members (golden mean), and more indignations will not be.

I live in Italy: last time i was in a strip club the stripper sit on my kees, put a dildo in my hands and ask me: "Do you know how to use it? Show me!!!"...YEAH!!!!!!!

That is as are strip clubs here.

A man that say is orribile or a scandal to watch at a girl masturbating or girl/girl really action is an hypocritical or gay in my feedback (It's only my feedback).

Sorry if i wasn't polite, but i ***** hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is the behaviour covering insincerity or evil intention by feigned frankness or virtue. Hypocrites at this forum I do not see.

@mvpsome
Don't care how u try to spin it VGHD is adult material and if you find woman dancing and undressing on someone's desktop objectible no matter of dancing is going to change that. If you can't go to your public library and pull this up with out getting looked at or kicked out u already have ***** most of your potential members.

I am still looking for the so called censored animations...

Sorry KC . . .

I'm gonna have to put a rain check on it . . .

There are too many animations per card to go through. I didn't know it would be this tedious once opening up the folders. (I got a mortgage to pay) If anyone else wants to confirm or deny that this takes place. I'll have to let them do it. But I thought I saw a fade out.

But since you are on the Q and I team and you seem to state differently . . . well then, maybe I'm mistaken. I usually run the cards in the wee hours of the morning and that explains a potentially overactive imagination on my behalf . . . ;) Thanks for your understanding. (mortgages suck !!!)

@Boorlom

By Wikipedia

url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

"Hypocrisy (alternately spelled hypocricy in American English), is acting in a manner contradictory to one's professed beliefs and feelings, or conversely, expressing false beliefs and opinions in order to conceal one's real feelings or motives.[1][2] For example, a smoker would be hypocritical if he or she were to criticize someone else for smoking cigarettes. The term hypocrisy is often used in a religious context to refer to someone who gives a false appearance of virtue or religion, or does not "practice what he or she preaches". Psychologically, hypocrisy can be an unconscious act of self-deception."

Sorry, but i can see a lot of people here and around the world like this.

@KC, I havent take part till now in your try to convince everyone that there is no cut out of fingering parts of Natali's Paradise Room, but now after you keep repeating that... can I ask you for something - can you take a close look at explicit shows of Paradise Room and any other card of Natali and after that come here, place your hand on your heart and say - "Yes, there is not any cut outs of any fingering in that card". TIA.

I have reviewed some of the Natalie - paradise annimations, especially one where she starts in just her knickers and after a bit of mild fingering, takes the knickers off and then seems to be about to start again.

Sorry to say, but this has been a technic that Totem have been using for a good many years. While, I cannot say that there was nothing other this particular point, there is also nothing to say that there was. As I have said, Totem have been using the fade out at the "critical"point for many years, even when in some other annimations there was full insertion of fingers or even (VG2) the occassional dildo.

The main issue that Totem have said where they will and will not go with VGHD. That some members do not like it is regretable I suppose, but it is Totem's decision, which is why TotemRex highlighted some of their future plans that may interest some more than others.

That's where this should rest, but the topic goes on.

We're going up in flames
We're ***** up in a blaze of glory
Don't put fire into the hands
Of the weak and faint, the weak and frail
Tripping the light fantastic
Let's celebrate our great escape
For goodness sake, it's all the same
The sinner and saint, heaven and hell

And the dance goes on
And the dance goes on and on
And the dance goes on
And the dance goes on and on and on and on

The topic goes on because totem and staff will not acknowledge that totem has watered down it's shows after the natali blond bottle incident caused 2 to 3 very vocal members to spam the form with complaints about it til they were banned from forum for a week.

Don't tell people nothing has changed when it obviously has. This is not the virtuagirl most people payed for. it is watered down from it's original. Nomatter how you spin it. They didnt fade the natali bottle clip or fade her best momemnts in her first 3 cards. They didnt fade away in monica's first cards. They didnt fade sharka, alizee, marie, or mia's first cards.

Totem can have 3 cards this week that are unedited that feature mostly non-nudity with only 2 nudity clips each and no explicit clips. This would be presenting us with watered down product.
As stated by some- totem is going in a softer direction with this site. So we are being offered softer cards (edited or not). This isn't what people paid for when joining.

"Totem can do what they want"

I guess this statement wasn't true when natali blond clip had her playing with the bottle like a dildo. A few people ***** as if totem went into their homes and spit in their food and kicked their dog.
So obviously people will ***** when totem offers watered down cards. They don't have to be edited to be watered down. Offereing all non-nude cards would be watered down.

Rate adult explicitness 1 to 10. 1 being a girl dancing fully dressed and 10 being a porno orgy. Virtuagirl was a 5. The new shows lately have been a 3. Virtuagirl does not have to be an 8 but please keep the explicit quality at 5. What next- topless only? If you are a dancing fan you don't need to see bush. It doesn't make the dancing more erotic it just makes the dancing more EXPLICIT.