... a bit like buying a gun because you want to shoot yourself in the foot.

Ava Dalush

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Okay I think this will Solve all the Moans and complaints about the Crossed out Prices.
I have received several PM messages over this, and one stating they will report Totem to the OFT.

I am going to recommend that Totem do away with all the Discounts on Credits.
Totem will Charge a Flat rate of $2 per credit, no Matter what Quantity is Purchased.

So I will ask Totem to Change all the Prices.
50 credits will Cost $100
25 credits will Cost $50
10 credits will Cost $20
4 credits will Cost $8

After Totem has sold Enough Credits at these prices, to Satisfy the OFT, That these are the established prices.
Then Totem can re-Introduce Discounts again, if they want to, without worry that some member is going to report them for Unfair, Phony Sales or Marketing practices.

Now, I hope all the Members will Be Happy, about this.
You *****, and now you will have it your way..

No more Crossed out Prices.
You will pay the full $2 per Credit.

This sounds like the BEST choice for Totem to Make..

It's starting to get off topic but......

I'd like for you to share some more info about these "Professional Calibration Programs" which are available. I would think most members only use basic adjustments and use the same settings for all medias and work.

Having the ability to make more precise adjustments and have several presets for different types of media could be very helpful.

Perhaps open a thread for it ?

Tracy Gold

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corrected score

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No comparison for me, Ava Dalush blows Tracy out of the water!

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Believe me,It`s not my case @FalconAF.

I`m not an expert in IT like you,but simple things like to adjust my monitor or card graphic, to install or uninstall a program,to format a computer,etc I know.
My laptop and desktop are just fine.They are well configured.
I won`t adjust more light to my monitor just because Totem released some cards with poor light.
All cards should have the same quality.

Rex admitted too there were some issues with poor light in his post above.Read it,please.

"Poor light" can be a problem of display on the end-users computer and not a problem with the quality of the product produced.

I'm NOT saying that is necessarily the problem with your "poor light" issue, but I worked professionally in IT and customer service for over 35 years (I'm retired now) and many times a computer user's complaint about "bad display or graphics presentation" on a computer is due to the end-user not having their computer monitor/display configured correctly. Almost all modern computer monitors have menu settings/options available to adjust the monitor for different types of presentations, including things such as word processing vs viewing video(s), etc. There are also numerous presets the user can select from. And proper monitor calibration includes gamma, intensity, contrast, brightness, and numerous other settings for different viewing scenarios. There are professional calibration programs available for free to download from the Internet and use to calibrate a monitor.

I understand what you are saying about the lighting changes over time with the VG model cards, and I've "run into" that too with some of them. But on a properly calibrated monitor, it is not a "don't buy the product anymore" issue. With a modern monitor you can create a "preset" configuration for an individual program application you could change to with just a simple menu selection in the monitors settings menu. I have one created for VG when I watch VG. I have a different one for when I'm watching a movie or video on my computer. And a different one for "normal work" like browsing the Internet or using a word processing program.

It's a fact of life...most "average" home computer users don't use anywhere NEAR the available options on their computers/monitors systems that are available to them. It's like buying a new TV with all the bells and whistle settings on it, but just taking the TV out of the box and never setting it up correctly with all those available options the user could use.

No company, including Totem, could ever produce a "model card" that would "look right" on every monitor that is sold. Out of the box, monitors are set to different configurations from manufacturer to manufacturer. The end user has to get involved in using all those available settings if they want to get all the functionality of the monitor under different viewing conditions.

Ava, she's my love

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Tracy Gold 6

Well,if they continue to release the cards in the same quality like now with poor light(not all but plenty of them),from my point of view it`s not worth it to me to pay not even 1 euro for one card(I speak for myself).

With subscriptions it was a different thing ,because I always bought when they appeared subscriptions with 4 cards per day or a 6 month subscription(the best deal they offered)

Anyway,from my point of view like a user with all collection and subscriptions(but I bought many times 50 credits in parallel,too),they increased the price allready by eliminating subscriptions.
SO,depends on how you see the things.For a buyer with credits,this isn`t changed too much,but for users with subscriptions there is sure an increased price allready:)

We shall see the new prices plan(depends on the status of each of us) and the quality of the cards in October like Rex announced.

I never used the word deception.

As my final word on the subject (I promise) I merely wanted to say that a crossed out price with a lower price next to it is widely understood by consumers to mean that it was that price and is now reduced. As such, I thought it was a bad idea to advertise the concept of a percentage saving from bulk buying in this way. That's all.

I'm not surprised that people can't accept that it was a bad idea on their part to do that. Defensive posturing seems to be the norm instead of sober reflection that there may have been an error of judgement. Certainly when verifiable errors are made it is impossible to get an apology and a timely fix, which is the first response by any company who places customer service high on their agenda.

Tracy Gold
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"Deception" is in the mind of the individual when it comes to advertising. And sad to say, modern advertising is loaded with BLATANT deceptive practices to try to separate consumers from their money. Did Totem INTENTIONALLY do it? I don't think so. As Wyldanimal explained, the BASE price for a model card has ALWAYS been $2 per card. So using the referenced "$50 for 50 credits" graphic that showed (implied?) that a purchase of 50 credits for $50 was actually WORTH $100 of the product based on the BASE price isn't really a deceptive practice. Some people can interpret it that way if they want though, I agree.

There are plenty of REAL deceptive advertising examples in the world today, and consumers fall for them all the time. Modern TV infomercials are full of them. "Buy one, get one FREE!!! Only pay Shipping and Handling for the second one!" Yeah, right. The FIRST one is over-priced to begin with, and the additional "shipping and handling" price is so over-inflated it equals or EXCEEDS the actual cost of the product AND the shipping and handling. But my all-time favorite one is "Buy the product and we will give you FREE LIFETIME refills for it! Just pay shipping and handling!" So I buy the *****-whacker with one supply of *****-whacker cutting strings for it. Then when I need to order new "Free For Life" cutting strings, all I have to do is pay another $19.95 for the "shipping and handling". Strange...I could go to my local Wal-Mart and buy the same replacement cutting strings for $4.95.

Consumers are gullible. Tell them something is "FREE!" and they will jump on the bandwagon, grab their credit cards, and blow money away like they just met the Tooth Fairy.

There is NOTHING "free" in this world. It ALL costs money one way or another. It costs businesses money to produce something, and it costs consumers money to acquire the business's product.

Honestly, for only $2 a model card AT MOST for Totem's product...a product you make a one time purchase cost for and get to keep for life...I simply can't understand all the ***** about the price of it. If someone's "adult entertainment budget" can't afford that price for the quality of the adult entertainment Totem is producing, they aren't being very realistic about pricing for adult entertainment in today's world economy.

Totem didn't LIE to anybody about their prices or price increases using the $100 for 50 credits example. It did reflect the fact that for $50 you got $100 worth of their BASE price for their product. Maybe the way it was PRESENTED was *****, but to say that Totem was trying to be DECEPTIVE about it is simply not a true statement. Deception involves false claims. There was nothing false about the $100 value a customer received when purchasing 50 credits for $50.

I'm a loyal fan and supporter too, but I'm also an old pedant and I think it was valid to say they shouldn't put a crossed out price next to the actual price because if you saw that on a price tag of an item in a store you'd rightly think they had been charging the higher price.

That's all I wanted someone to admit to - the possibility that there had been ***** caused by electing to do this crossed out price strategy. It wasn't much to ask, but once again it seems the defences go up and they argue the toss instead of saying 'sorry if that caused *****" and THEN explaining what they meant.

OK, I've held back from commenting on this thread topic yet, but I gotta throw my 2-cents out after reading it up to now.

What in the heck is everybody ***** about? And why?

VG is not your typical "Adult Entertainment" website. People here seem to be ***** that they are getting "ripped off" by Totem with the price changes. C'mon...let's get real.

VG has been around for over a decade. The current "version" of it has over 2000 individual "cards" or "shows" a member can purchase. That would cost a member $2000 if each show was only $1, and $4000 if each show was $2...but ONLY if they wanted to be a "collector" of ALL the cards.

VG is NOT a typical adult website where you can pay $19.95 for a month's membership then do a "site rip" and download the entire collection of model picture sets and videos from that site. VG is a totally different concept.

If you view yourself as a person who wants to be known as a "collector" of the entire VG product...an owner of ALL the available cards...you SHOULD expect to have to spend a large amount of money to do that. It would be no different than any OTHER type of "collector", whether it be stamps, coins, antiques, baseball cards...whatever. "Collecting" things has never been inexpensive if you want to own an "entire collection" of something.

On the other hand, even if it costs me $2 to purchase a model card here, I get an entire show for that model that is mine for (for all practical purposes) the rest of my life. Sorry, but I find it very, very hard to understand how someone thinks I am getting "ripped off" at that price for the product.

This is an ADULT entertainment site. If it takes you 6 months to save $50 before you can purchase 50 credits for $50, you are "*****" because your "adult entertainment" budget is so limited you can only spend $8 a month on your adult entertainment. If your adult entertainment budget is that limited, I would have to question what the heck you are doing spending money here in the first place? Or money on "adult entertainment" to begin with. For only $8/month, you aren't going to be able to "acquire" much more than a bottle of hand lotion and a centerfold magazine. Go to a dark room with a flashlight and have at it. ;-)

Totem can't GIVE their product away for free. For a long, long time we've been able to purchase their shows for LESS than $1 per model card (using a subscription) or for $1 a card if you could afford to spend $50 at a time. If you couldn't do either one of those, then it cost you $2 per model card.

Even IF $2 per card now became the LOWEST price per card, are you seriously gonna ***** about that for what you get? Is your financial situation so bad that you have to ***** about a price increase (IF IT HAPPENS!!!) of a product that has been around for an entire decade??? Show me ANY other product for consumer purchase that hasn't had an increase in price in the last 10 years...just be reasonable about your comparison, OK?

If you join VG today as a totally NEW member, you have a decision to make. Do I want to purchase ALL of the model cards and become a "collector" of the entire product? If "Yes!", then you NEED to plan on spending the money to DO that. And obviously, you will need the MONEY to do that too.

Nobody should expect Totem to give their product away at a loss in revenues. Everybody should expect prices to increase on consumer goods over time.

Welcome to the real world.

Tracy marry me!!!

Tracy Gold 5
Ava Dalush 1

Late update. I notice that Sabrisse has one card (#1602) recently upgraded to rate 9.60, with a couple of others rated just below that figure. For those interested, those figures place Sabrisse 6th among all VirtuaGirls.

In the 3 months since my research was posted there has appeared another contender. As of September 28th, Naomi Nevena has at least 4 cards rated over 9.6. My collection is not complete, but her 5 cards I DO have produce a median score of 9.62 and a top score of 9.65. If these scores are maintained over time, Naomi would edge out Little Caprice, Viola, Melisa and Anna Tatu from top ranking. But the 5 of them are so close as to make it pointless to differentiate.
As far as I can tell, these five are the only girls to have cards rated above 9.6. and all five have at least 3 such cards.

This thread has become so pedantic that I'm gonna throw up! Who cares what the old prices were? Today's prices are still fair imho and not very different to the old ones. I have NEVER seen a card for sale at $4.00. Who came up with that one? The max to pay is still less than 2 dollars/euros as the single card purchase has gone. Who the hell wants to buy one card at a time anyway??? I'm a sporadic buyer and only buy credits at 50 euros for 50 credits. This, to me is a very good deal!

To those who are used to subscriptions at an even better rate, I say, you've had a good time, guys. Enjoy while you can but don't bitch about it when it ends :)

Unless something changes drastically, pricewise, I will remain a loyal fan and member of VGHD! :)

Ok. I'm giving up. I accept the logic that 1 credit used to sell for $2 and so theoretically 50 credits would have cost $100, and that charging $50 is therefore a 'discount' of 50%.

But I still think that putting a crossed out $100 against the 50 credit price can easily give the impression that $100 had been the price for 50 credits at some point and the charge now is only $50. Especially where it isn't clear that the $100 is based on a single credit for $2 price which (as Albionhunnter points out) is no longer available or shown on that screen.

Perhaps if the savings quoted were stated as being on the basis of buying a larger number of credits in one purchase it would be much clearer. That's all I was saying.

Tracy Gold for sure!

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Small point: you can no longer buy 1 credit for $2; the minimum purchase is 4 credits for $7. Following the recent changes the 'discount' percentages have become meaningless (and potentially misleading to new members).

I'm in the mood for a blond so Tracy Gold

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Back to business..........

The new challenger is Tracy Gold

Tracy Gold vs Ava Dalush (Number 50) starts now

12:00 P.M. Central European Summer Time (Paris Time Zone)

Winner takes the number 50 spot on the ladder. the loser is knocked off the ladder, she can not return on it.

Reminder @everybody
NO PICTURES with your vote, they are not allowed. This is a first to 10 challenge.

@Wyld: Seriously...
Your Post makes it Sound Like Totem has Doubled their Pricing all of a Sudden...

Fact is the Deals are Better or about the same as then they were before.

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Except that's not what happened. Read what I wrote - try to get past that first sentence you got ***** up on there, Wyld. You seem to have seen what I said as some kind of negative or as a dis on Totem. What I pointed out was that IF the new prices were to go into effect as they are shown (crossed out) and if the carousel prices go away, which Totem has said will happen, then cards will rise to $4 each. At that point, they are more than twice what I'm paying now. My choice will be to cut my spending by half (i.e. buy half the cards) or double my spending and remain as I am.

Nowhere did I fault Totem for the possibility of changing prices. I run a business myself and I know how things work. My own income has not risen to beat costs with the economy being the way it is despite my income-per-sale going up. In other words, like Totem, I am in a position where I can either keep going as I am and see fewer profits or raise prices. Totem has to, however, consider that many of those of us who've been around for a long time will have to cut back. The good news for them is that with higher cost-per-card, they actually make more money because we will be buying fewer cards at the same dollar figure, thus cutting their costs down (server, bandwidth) while profits rise. Again, this is how business works. I do not fault them.

So, Wyldanimal, read what I wrote. You obviously didn't before. And try to read past the first sentence this time.

Welcome I Love Having Friends

I'm currently looking at these 3 cards :

Gina Gerson #480
Linda Sweet #593
Nisha #521

So you're as a triple diamonds and you've seen all these chicks already, I'd love to know that, are those good cards ?

by tripleDiamond EverthangForever - 23 hour(s) ago
@Wyld.. Just a couple of questions:

Who actually compiled (authored) the PPC scene, graphics and layout etc.,
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The Paris Penthouse Club, is a real Club in Paris.
I believe it is the old Hustler Club
Located Here:
http://thepenthouseclubparis.com/en/dance-choices.php
13/15, rue de Berri 75008 PARIS

Totem, went inside and took detailed photos, and reconstructed the Club for use on the Full Screen.


Shaders

please visit
https://www.shadertoy.com/

To Experiment with a new Shader...
https://www.shadertoy.com/new

Need Help:
ShadeToy Help
http://www.deskbabes.net/files/shaderhelp-001.htm


Full GLSL Spec:
http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/specs/2.0/GLSL_ES_Specification_1.0.17.pdf

Note: Totem presently does not Support Music Input for the Shaders.

To all of the Members here...
Please don't feel like I am Attacking you or anyone in particular..
That's not the Intent of my posts.
While My posts are Direct and to the Point..

The Sole purpose is to spread the Facts, and Dispel any false information.

All it takes is one member to misunderstand the new pricing and make a statement that isn't accurate.
and before you know it, other members join in and then we have chaos on our hands.

Each time I see a post with misinformation, I try to Quote the post, and then show the Correct facts.

So If I've quoted your posts..
It's only because I believe the Information you used is not Accurate.

Either way, I will post a correction.

double posting the same misinformation,
well that just makes me suspicious of your intent..
and I'm sure no one here is intentionally trying to stir things up...
at least I should hope not..

@Bad4good, if you buy each credit individually(1 credit for $2), then if you buy 50 credits, how much money did you spend? $100.

The 50% discount is simply saying that if you buy each credit for its original price, you would be paying $100. Its the exact same thing as the old pricing. Nothing has changed, where do you see phony pricing?

Thank you @Zebra and thank you @Wyldanimal for allowing @Zebrazuk to redistribute your shaders.

@DMon1981 - you sir, are a legend. She is perfection.

Ok decided to share my 4K scenes as Wyldanimal kindly gave me permission to include his shaders. These scenes have their own folder so won't overwrite anything. I make no promises as to how much load they may place on your system, so be forewarned.

www.kp3d.com/vgs.html

by doubleDiamond Bad4Good - 15 min ago
Well, here in the UK we have consumer protection that outlaws the use of false claims about higher prices to make the current price seem a good deal. Unless some VG historian can point to a time when 100 was the price for 50 credits then I still regard this as a phony marketing ploy on Totem's part.
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we also have the same in the USA.. a vendor has to have proof that the Discount is a real discount.

Totems, Discount is Not a phony marketing ploy..

If 1 Credit is Sold for $2, then 50 Credits would sell for $100.
It Does not Matter if Totem Never Charged $100 for 50 credits purchased at one time.
If a member purchased 50 single credits then they paid $100 for their 50 Credits.
even if they paid for 1 credit a week for a year..


What Matters is that Totem has established that the Price for a Single Credit
is $2. That has been Established, and there is no Disputing that a Single Credit has a value of $2.

Any amount of Credits then would have the Same Base Value of 1 credit is $2.
So it is factual and truthful that 50 credits has a value of $100.

And If you Take notice on the Old pricing.
the 50 Credit Purchase was also Discounted 50%

You can view it how you want, but the Fact is, 1 credit is $2 and 50 Credits has a value of $100, purchasing them in bulk gives you a 50% discount.

There is no deception going on. no Phony pricing..

I believe it is Just a flame war by members to suggest that there is.
I'm just pointing out the Facts so members can see the Facts and not be swayed by the Flames..

See the Facts for Yourself.
http://datas.virtuagirl.com/customdata/forum/2014-09-26/1132923_1411767226.png

Groan - Come on WyldAnimal. If you read what I wrote you'll realise that I said '50 credits, to my knowledge, have never been priced at 100$ or €'. I don't ever recall a time where I had to buy 50 credits for 100€.

So I stand absolutely by my assertion that the higher price is a fiction designed entirely to make us think what a good deal we are getting.

You previously said "Here where I live In the USA,Almost Everything that has a Discounted Price, also has the Original Full Price marked and crossed out."

Well, here in the UK we have consumer protection that outlaws the use of false claims about higher prices to make the current price seem a good deal. Unless some VG historian can point to a time when 100 was the price for 50 credits then I still regard this as a phony marketing ploy on Totem's part.

@The3LeggedMan - if it was never sold at 100 then it is a false price, just as any other amount would be, so I don't accept your argument.

I will apologise however that my comment about the removal of the carousel single credit price was misleading. I was of course talking about the future removal of the carousel discount. I absolutely accept that at present I am able to still purchase cards for 1 credit. Just a shame that so many of them on there at the moment are recent cards of girls I have no interest in whatsoever.

If we can make the original into 50% on our computers, the slider scene also will be very nice to have... Its not ELITISM, its just a good-awful rush..I figure if members can show what can be done with 2D or 3D now, it might give ToTeam some ideas about how to make re-coding scenes easier for everyone before the new Alpha .;-))

It's actually the elements that I think will be the limiting factor. I tried the scenes at 1920x1080 and they looked almost exactly the same as at 3840x2160. But for example, the slider background image is at 15360x2160 pixels. You could just resize it in half I suppose to relieve some of the strain. FS will always scale whatever you give it to fit the screen from what I've seen. I'll think about sharing them, but I'd ***** to be accused of computer elitism again due to my demanding scenes.;-)

Big is cool Zebra,.. we can move our camera settings back.

I have been tinkering with 2D scenes in what little spare time I have right now. I've nothing I can share right now though as I created them all for my 4K screen so they're kind of... BIG. Plus as I'm sure Wyld will note I'm using some of his shaders as all I got trying to figure out how to make my own was a headache,.;-)

The top one has an uninterupted sliding background, the second has changing pictures in each quadrant, the third has a different shader in each quadrant. On my screen each quadrant is 1920x1080.

If there's any real interest in these maybe I'll post them, but only with Wylds permission will I share the one with shaders. They do scale to whatever screen size you have though so those with less res could run them, I just suspect they may be a little more demanding on your system as a result.

by doubleDiamond Bad4Good - 1 hour(s) ago
And sorry to disagree WA, but 50 credits, to my knowledge, have never been priced at 100$ or €. So suggesting that 50 is a discounted price when that has always been the price for 50 credits is disingenuous at best. It's a shoddy marketing trick to suddenly say "This is the real price so look how much you are saving!".
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Where did you all learn to do math?

If 1 credit = $2
What does 50 credits Cost??
50 x $2 = $100
Answer: 50 credits = $100

Is that Clear enough????
http://datas.virtuagirl.com/customdata/forum/2014-09-26/1132923_1411767226.png

50 credits has always had a value of $100, and Totem has always discounted the 50 credit purchase by 50%

And as far as I know ( last night I just purchased a card ) the Card Discounts on the Carousel are still there...
so you are still purchasing your cards for 1 credit each from the carousel.

We have to wait and see what the New Card discount structure will be..

I have just confirmed her as Lia Taylor via the fan sign forum which you cannot access as is for Double Diamonds. PeterBanker was the lucky winner.

Off the top of my head, Tarra White's solo, card #138 has some pretty intense anal action.

@superjack - I was wondering that too! She looks goood even in tiny size

Thanks go to Bad4Good for helping me state better what I was trying to say, and the others that were thrown off for a second as well.
The other part of my original post still stands, and I see that others agree as well. and that is, that no matter how much of a theoretical discount there APPEARS to be, the qaulity of the cards has gone down drastically at ANY price. and I still stand by what I said, that my older cards are far superior to the newly released cards in regards to what I'm getting for my money. Rex has promised changes to this in the near future, and we shall see in time. but I can't help but wonder that if Totem was able to release such better qaulity before, then what has changed so much since then at the studio or in post production? Granted, I have only been a member since 2009, but even when I first downloaded the software it was VirtuagirlHD. as Bad4Good also stated, and what I was originally trying to convey, was that the pricing should have been better off just as it was displayed before, without the "supposed" discount shown, unless it can be proved that it actually was that much at one time. my original post has generated far more backlash (both bad and good) than I intended, and I may get flamed even further but it's a fact that qaulity has fallen a lot and it can be seen by anyone with a large enough collection to compare old with new. this has been supported above in this very thread. so I will finish on the note that at any price, theoretical or otherwise, I expect more for my money. so far, i have not seen it in the new releases. we shall see come October. thank you.